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28-06-2011, 00:23  
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and come with all the shortfalls such a has but where do they sit in comparison to others in the production stable, what would you see as there strength and weakness?
29-06-2011, 00:15  
Boat: 1978 CT48
, and always gets back home.
They are very inexpensive, from what he says.
29-06-2011, 04:35  
Boat: Bluewater 420 CC
and come with all the shortfalls such a has but where do they sit in comparison to others in the production stable, what would you see as there strength and weakness?
29-06-2011, 07:00  
Boat: Jon Sayer 1-off 46 ft fract rig sloop strip plank in W Red Cedar
posts. There have been instances of rapid in this critical appendage. I noted that the area firm that commissions new Hanses won't use copper based anywhere near the spade because of this.

For me, this alone would be a deal breaker.

Cheers,

Jim
29-06-2011, 07:34  
Boat: 14 meter sloop
a few years ago. When I commented on this to a Norwegian friend, he replied, "Ya! Good yachts!"
29-06-2011, 13:01  
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always struck the admiral as an unusual finish which doesn't win any points although I note the new models are going a different way.

They just seemed to be very prolific in pittwater for a relatively new brand in OZ and appear to hold there value Very well here.

I think the NSW distributor does a very good job.
29-06-2011, 13:55  
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always struck the admiral as an unusual finish which doesn't win any points although I note the new models are going a different way.

They just seemed to be very prolific in pittwater for a relatively new brand in OZ and appear to hold there value Very well here.

I think the NSW distributor does a very good job.
29-06-2011, 14:06  
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30-06-2011, 17:32  
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15-08-2011, 12:46  
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15-08-2011, 13:06  
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his stake in the Hanse-Group,
after bringing Hanse to the stock-market, couple of years ago.
The Hanse-Group includes brands like Moody and Dehler, and is a
competitor in the mass production mainly to Yachts.
Both german products, reliable quality, but of course, not
like the swedish brands i.e. Hallberg-Rassy or Malö.
The variety of products is quite wide, with Moody, Dehler, and Fjord
in addition to the Hanse -range.
Hanse is trying to meet both, the charter-companies requirements, as well as the private owners market, you still will wish to change certain things,
like mentioned above.
Overall, good value for .
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Hanse - where do they sit on the quality scale?

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On a scale of 1 to 10, 10 being excellent, where do Hanse sit? Assuming Oyster is 10 ish Swedish boats 8 - 9 Moody 6-7, all IMHO of course. (I wont offend owners of the boats I think are down in the 1-3 range)  

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Hmm - 9/10 for styling but maybe we need to give them time to establish a reliabilty/quality rating. When I looked at their deck gear, I was worried by the mainsheet traveller being so far forward, away from the cockpit and control by a short-handed crew. But that's just a personal prejudice.  

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Boreades said: Hmm - 9/10 for styling but maybe we need to give them time to establish a reliabilty/quality rating. When I looked at their deck gear, I was worried by the mainsheet traveller being so far forward, away from the cockpit and control by a short-handed crew. But that's just a personal prejudice. Click to expand...

4/5 against the other benchmarks you have given. If you give Oyster 10 then HR / Malo are 11.  

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On your scale about 2 to 3  

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MoodyNick said: On a scale of 1 to 10, 10 being excellent, where do Hanse sit? Assuming Oyster is 10 ish Swedish boats 8 - 9 Moody 6-7, all IMHO of course. (I wont offend owners of the boats I think are down in the 1-3 range) Click to expand...

I looked and smaller Hanse - was not impressed with the internals or finish in general - would put it on par with current Bav finishing for 'attention to detail' but I understand they sail well....  

Scillypete

I know someone who own's a 400 did one Atlantic circuit with numerous troubles and on return the surveyor said it was unfit for sea. That was a brand new boat. furniture moving, bulkheads cracked, rusting stainless on arrival in the Canaries and a forestay attachment that was moving. Hanse refused to accept that there was a problem (allegedly)  

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fmoran said: 4/5 against the other benchmarks you have given. If you give Oyster 10 then HR / Malo are 11. Click to expand...

jhr

jhr said: Nick - you're not selling Fiddler's Elbow, are you? Click to expand...

Blueboatman

On the one hand......As it were. Maybe more. I did read that epoxy built Hanses are available for little more than the fibreglass ones. That does seem a significant step forward and a useful bit of 'future proofing'.  

Having owned a new 400 for just over a year I can say that although I have had a few teething problems I am more then satisfied with my Hanse, The few problems mentioned where quickly dealt with by the dealer. It is a production boat and that is reflected in the quality against the more bespoke models, however it is also reflected in the price  

Talulah

Personally I think it is nice to see most Hanse with a coloured hull. Makes a change from the usual white. I too have third hand reports of problems with them falling apart after longish trips. Probably ok for normal use of a few weeks a year and half a dozen weekends. I was not impressed when I looked down below at the boat shows. Very much an MFI feel. I would rate Bavaria higher. In saying that I have sailed a number of brand new boats in recent years and have to say the interiors are getting worse and worse. The latest, Sun Odyssey 37 will not last one season before it starts to look very tired down below. Quick example: Doors, the edging around the doors is glued on. A fraction of an overlap results in the trim getting caught and broken off.  

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I'd agree that Bav's are better built than Hanse, I have sailed both, however the Hanse (371) did sail very well, I did a non stop Portsmouth to Cork on one. That particular boat, having done a respectable few sea miles in mixed conditions was starting to show her age. The boat at 7 years old, the owner commented recently that my Etap was in far better condition, even being 10 years older. The Hanse has recently been sold as its condition was going to start to get expensive. The boat went abroad. Nick, dont buy one.  

Whilst I agree - it is difficult to pidgeon a brand within a single 1-10 criteria - it is quite clear what Nick is after ... he's after how we would overall rate a Hanse compared to other makes - quite a simple and straight forward question - and he has had some pretty comprehensive answers with little confusion!  

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galadriel said: I'd agree that Bav's are better built than Hanse, I have sailed both, however the Hanse (371) did sail very well, I did a non stop Portsmouth to Cork on one. That particular boat, having done a respectable few sea miles in mixed conditions was starting to show her age. The boat at 7 years old, the owner commented recently that my Etap was in far better condition, even being 10 years older. The Hanse has recently been sold as its condition was going to start to get expensive. The boat went abroad. Nick, dont buy one. Click to expand...
MoodyNick said: On a scale of 1 to 10, 10 being excellent, where do Hanse sit? Click to expand...

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Does anyone have any experience with Hanse Yachts? Specifically the 315 but I would also like general input about the manufacturer. There seems to be a limited number here in the States.  

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Hanse is a German boat manufacturer that has been growing in the last years. That growing is based on the quality of their boats that are a very good compromise between quality, price, performance and cruising amenities. Comparing with Beneteau (in general) they are a bit more expensive, a bit more fast (and less fat) and with better deck material, they can be made of epoxy (better and strong material, but then you should have a colored hull) and the interiors have a similar quality (even if the style is different). Of course, Beneteau has two lines, the one that is called Oceanis in Europe (and that in the States is called simply Benetau) and the one that is called First. The second one is faster than the Hanse, a bit more expensive and with better deck material and smaller accommodation. The Hanse, that has only one line, kind of stands in between the Oceanis and the First line. Owners are very proud and enthusiastic about their boats and they have a very good forum. If you have any doubt ask them and I am sure they will be happy to reply. myHanse - Hanse Yachts Owners Forum: 311 / 312 / 315 Hanse Yachts Regards Paulo  

PCP said: Hanse is a German boat manufacturer..."they can be made of epoxy (better and strong material, but then you should have a colored hull)" Thanks for the info Paulo, Just curious why an epoxy hull construction would need another color besides white. Would like to know the drawback of a Hanse epoxy hull with white hull color. Thanks in advance for any input from the forum. Click to expand...

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I looked at some Hanse boats at two recent boat shows and really liked their boats (but not necessarily their interior styling). Hanse not only owns Dehler yachts but also owns Moody Yachts, they have become a major boatbuilder and are popular and common not only in Germany but throughout Europe.  

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Try and send a PM to Arglebargle. he is in Vancouver BC and has a 37'ish foot hanse. He's had it about 2 yrs or so. Marty  

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My wife and I looked at what they had on display of the Hanse line at the Annapolis boat show. I believe we were somehow (mis)taken by the broker as serious potential buyers, which was nice because we were able to poke around on the boats quite a bit and have a lot of questions answered. We were both fairly impressed and saw the Hanse 355 and 375 as being a lot more “us” than offerings from a lot of the other production builders.  

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Hi Paolo I just discovered this thread and thought that I would add my two cents worth. I have a 2009 Hanse 470e yacht which is the epoxy version. She will turn five years old in March 2014 and she has a white hull, which is still beautifully white. She gets a good hull polish each year and a wash down when I can manage the fresh water required. It is important to understand that when laid up the Hanse epoxy boats have an exterior gelcoat layer and the epoxy layers are subsequently laid on top of the gelcoat when in the mould. This is a normal layup and the only difference as far as I can see is that epoxy is used over the gelcoat when in the mould instead of using Polyester or Vinylester resins. The point that I am making is that from external appearances, Hanse epoxy yachts look like any other yacht because the outer shell is Gelcoat and a white Beneteau, Oyster or Swan for example should weather in a similar manner. There are lots of benefits of using epoxy since there is no osmosis issues and epoxy is tougher and stronger than the other more commonly used (and cheaper) resins. This allows epoxy yachts to either be much stronger for a given hull thickness or just as strong with a thinner application and much lighter than a similar non epoxy hull. Cheers George  

You are lucky if you have an epoxy hull. Hanse does not made anymore hulls in epoxy. I really don't understand what you are saying. When we talk about an epoxy hull that means that is a fibreglass hull, with epoxy in place of the more widely used and less expensive polyester resins. When you use epoxy over the gelcoat is a different thing. It is called a coat and almost all manufacturers will propose that to you as an extra. That means that is a fiberglass hull made with poliester resins and on top of that you "paint" several coats of epoxy on the hull to make it really waterproof. I don't know if you have an epoxy hull or if you have a normal poliester hull with epoxy coating. Hanse used to do as an option epoxy hulls but not anymore. If you have a 470 e than you have an epoxy hull. Regards Paulo  

Hi Paolo What I am saying is that when laying up the hull the boat is constructed from the outside inwards with the first step being the gelcoat being sprayed into the mould and the epoxy layers are added after, which then becomes the interior of the hull. The point being that all fibreglass boats, epoxy or otherwise have a gelcoat layer as the external skin and the colour requirements should be identical I would have thought. Cheers George.  

Yes, that's like that. Even so some say that on epoxy hulls a colored hull is better for added protection to uv. Maybe the gel-coat will give it enough protection but probably it is also an epoxy gelcoat. I would not worry much, they are supposed to be UV resistant even if the epoxy has some problems with UV. Regards Paulo  

Hi Paulo I believe the Gelcoat on my Hanse 470e is polyester as I have repaired chips with normal polyester gelcoat, which works fine. If the Gelcoat were epoxy the polyester repairs wouldn't adhere, since you can epoxy over polyester but not the other way around. Anyway... four and a half years after launching and the white gelcoat still looks like new in the harsh Australian sun! Cheers George  

yes, it is quite as George is saying. Epoxy-based gelcoat wouldn't be sufficient UV resistant. There is no real issus with "normal" polyester gelcoat, on which epoxy + glass is used. Then there has been a rumor on Hanse epoxy delivered only in none-white. Probably a marketing thing from Hanse - most epoxy Hanse I see are colored in some pale way. /J  

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The Hanse 460 is the first in a new range of Hanses. From new designers, she is already a big hit, with over 200 sold and a European Yacht of the Year win to its name. David Harding reports

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Product Overview

Price as reviewed:.

For some of us, sailing has always been about the functional and fundamental. We enjoy sailing for sailing’s sake. But today people want so much more from a boat and, in many respects, today’s yachts undoubtedly offer a lot more and the Hanse 460 attempts to do just that.

What you might loosely call the mainstream European builders of family cruising yachts have been following this path for some time, making each generation of designs bigger and plusher than the last. For Hanse in particular, it has been a rapid evolution from the small, basic and functional to the large and luxurious.

This latest Hanse is the first to be designed by Berret-Racoupeau. After the earliest models, which used the moulds of discontinued, slim-hulled Scandinavian designs, every Hanse has been designed by Judel/Vrolijk in what became one of boatbuilding’s most enduring and successful partnerships.

In line with modern trends, each new wave of Hanses has been higher, wider and more voluminous than the last. Founder Michael Schmidt never lost sight of the performance side, however. For all their growing girths and towering topsides, Hanse has always made boats that sail – competitively-priced, high-volume cruisers but with easy handling (self-tacking jibs were used from the early days) and better performance than many of the alternatives.

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The single rudder is light and responsive on the helm. Photo: HanseYachts/Nico Krauss

The Hanse 460 is different. Very different. The first model from a new alliance with the French designers, it promptly won the European Yacht of the Year as the best Family Cruiser for 2022. A Hanse 510 version now follows.

The big question was whether Hanse had managed to do something different while retaining the qualities that its owners had traditionally sought.

At a glance, the Hanse 460 looks sleeker and sportier than earlier models; more angular, with a reverse rake to the bow and a pronounced knuckle running to about half-way aft. In Hanse tradition there are no hard-angled chines but, in this case, a pronounced soft chine towards the stern. In plan view you see full forward sections which, combined with the broad stern, generous freeboard and ample beam, hold the promise of enormous interior volume.

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The 460’s generous and uncluttered cockpit. Photo: HanseYachts/Nico Krauss

At the other end, a moulded bowsprit projects the anchor clear of the stem and provides an attachment point for an outer forestay which can carry a reaching headsail. Large windows in the topsides help to break up the high freeboard.

Scale those topsides and you’re faced with an expanse of wide, flat deck and coachroof. Moulded bulwarks edge the side decks to help keep feet where they belong should you venture forward when the boat’s heeled. Otherwise what stands out is the uncluttered appearance – lines are led aft beneath separate mouldings – and the plethora of deck hatches hinged every which way, including one that opens to reveal a large bow locker.

There was certainly nothing to complain about in the performance and handling department. We slipped along very nicely on a flat sea in 12-14 knots of wind, clocking around 7.5 knots with the apparent wind at just under 30°, and tacking through around 80° by the compass.

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Moulded bowsprit keeps anchor clear of the stem and provides attachment for the optional outer forestay. Photo: Andreas Lindlahr/EYOTY

Enjoyable sailing

Weather helm was slight and the load on the wheels increased relatively little if I tried bearing away with the sheets pinned in, the single rudder providing plenty of grip. Provoked in the opposite direction, she coped well when pinched mercilessly and also when thrown into tight spins, only stalling briefly.

At least in the flat water and modest breeze we encountered, the cockpit worked well. In any wind and seaway you would be pleased to have the optional second table to port as a bracing point. At the helm stations you have a comfortable perch outboard of the wheel or, for energetic downwind sailing when you might need both hands, behind it. The Jefa linkage is light and direct, giving a good feel from the rudder. On the starboard side you can wind down the bifurcated backstay when extra headstay tension is needed.

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Hanse 460 is from Berret-Racoupeau. Photo: Andreas Lindlahr/EYOTY

Today’s cockpits are no longer just places from where you control the boat. Controlling the boat in itself is so much easier anyway, especially if – as most owners of the Hanse 460 will – you upgrade to electric winches, electric in-mast reefing and electric furling for the genoa on the outer forestay.

Other push-button options are for the hinge-down bathing platform and the cockpit tables (either side or both), which can be lowered to create large lounging areas. Alternatively there are fixed tables, as we had on the port side. A wet-bar can be added between the helm seats. It’s all part of making the cockpit a multi-function space in which every part can serve a variety of purposes. Cockpit stowage is in the form of a half-depth locker each side and – a first for Hanse – a dedicated liferaft locker right aft to starboard. With the electric-lowering option for the starboard table comes an extra moulded seat pod, which provides readily-accessible shallow stowage forward of the starboard helm and would be good to have for that reason alone.

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Portlights and windows flood the saloon with natural light. Photo: HanseYachts/Nico Krauss

Moving about the deck and cockpit, and from one to the other, is easy in good weather. The wide open spaces let you simply stroll around – or lounge if you’re so inclined. Then again, they tend to present more of a challenge when a boat’s bouncing and heeling.

Lifestyle choices

Externally, the hull lines clearly differentiate the 460 from her earlier stablemates, but down below it’s a world apart. It’s certainly a more classy finish than we’ve seen before from Hanse; restrained in tone and a level above what we have become used to. Berret-Racoupeau is one of relatively few yacht design studios to have its own interior-design division.

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Stateroom forecabin has generous stowage above and below the bed. Photo: HanseYachts/Nico Krauss

A host of interior layouts is available, from three to five cabins, up to four showers and from six to 10 berths. About the only constant is the presence of twin double cabins in the stern. Otherwise you can have different arrangements in the bow (cabins and heads) and amidships with a long or short linear galley and a bunk cabin or utility room to starboard where our boat had a chart table and heads compartment.

Details include backrests that hinge down in the saloon to provide trays and drinks-holders. You can press a button to lower the table, press another to pop up the TV from its central pod, and settle in for the evening.

Down here it’s all about sight-lines, integrating the different areas so no one feels left out, and ensuring that, as in the cockpit, every part of the layout performs multiple functions. In practice it creates a thoroughly pleasant and remarkably light environment.

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Sometimes you come across a boat that makes you realise not only that yacht design has changed irrevocably, but also why it has changed and why it’s not going back. The Hanse 460 is unquestionably such a boat. How the crew lives aboard and moves around, both above and below decks, has clearly been thought about in the context of modern lifestyles. And this boat exudes style. If you like the fundamental design, you will be able to tailor many of the options and details to suit your tastes. A yacht like this is unlikely to slice to windward in heavy weather as comfortably as, say, a first-generation Swan 46, but most people aren’t really interested in that these days. I suspect the new Hanse will prove to be a pretty quick and competent all-rounder nonetheless. Simple sailing? The technology is not remotely simple any more. But with the Hanse 460, the sailing itself is simple and can still be a lot of fun.

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A tall mast and generous sail area make the Hanse 400 quick and powerful. Credit: David Harding

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Voted European Boat of 2006, the J & J-designed, Hanse 400 still has all the attributes of a modern performance cruiser.

Founded in 1993, Hanse became Germany’s second largest production sailing yacht builder after extending its Greifswald site in 2005, and now produces 750 yachts annually including the Moody, Dehler and Privilege brands.

Since 1999 all Hanses have been designed by Judel and Vrolijk, a renowned team of performance yacht designers with America’s Cup heritage.

Hanse yachts aren’t just modern flyers, they have all the comforts needed for extended cruising as well.

Galley on the Hanse 400

Plenty of galley space with lockers and a top-loading fridge. Credit: Duncan Kent

The look of the 400’s interior isn’t particularly to my liking, with its sharp edges and unusual design statements, such as pea-green Plexiglass panels, but you can’t fault the layout’s flexibility and the intelligently thought-out key areas such as the well-appointed galley and heads.

Where the Hanse 400 scores over other more conservative performance cruisers is in the sailing stakes.

With dinghy-like performance, she’s just so easy to drive that you positively long to go out sailing alone, just to prove you can.

I love the idea that a 40ft yacht can be sailed quite safely single-handed – it gives you a fantastic confidence boost, meaning you’re more likely to take her out and sail her every chance you get.

Design & constructions of the Hanse 400

The Hanse 400 is sleek-looking with plumb ends, low freeboard and a long waterline.

With shallow underwater sections and a broad beam, they were designed to be quick and easily handled, and strong enough to cope with rough conditions offshore.

The hull is reinforced using a rigid floor framework and laminated foam stringers, while weight is minimised by incorporating a balsa core above the waterline.

For a little more money, the Hanse 400 was also offered in epoxy (400e), which not only reduced its displacement over the polyester/vinylester model by being a thinner layup and having foam sandwich below the waterline, but also increased its impact strength and flexibility, and virtually eliminated any risk of osmosis.

The Hanse 400 is unashamedly modern.

The high-gloss finished furniture is all a bit square and slab-sided, with stainless steel grab rails and the occasional green Plexiglass panels.

When buying from new, Hanse offered up to 16 different layouts and 99 options, so few ended up identical.

The interior is split into three design sections, each of which had several different available styles, such as a choice between one or two aft cabins.

The long, straight saloon settees make good sea berths and there’s stowage underneath.

Headroom is a generous 1.95m/6ft 5in, but the table will only seat four in comfort.

The chart/coffee table option comprised a small table between two seats on the saloon’s port side with shallow stowage inside for folded charts.

Chart Table on the Hanse 400

The chart table is small with limited instrument space. Credit: Duncan Kent

The locker containing the electrical panel has limited instrument space, which isn’t ideal as the doors have to be closed at sea.

The sensible alternative is to go for the straight settee, use the saloon table for passage planning and house most of the sailing and navigation instruments up in the cockpit.

The galley is large with plenty of stowage in numerous lockers and drawers, a full-size gimballed cooker with oven and a voluminous top-loading fridge plus a separate, smaller drinks cooler below.

Opposite, the heads is roomy with 1.83m/6ft headroom and separate shower stall with seat, under which are housed all the pumps and filters.

All the seacocks are neatly arranged and clearly labelled beneath the sink.

The aft cabins boast 1.98m/6ft 6in-long berths, 1.88m/6ft 2in headroom, a dressing area with seat and a large clothes locker.

The portside cabin has a slightly wider berth than the starboard one and is adjacent to the aft heads.

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Beneath the port berth is the calorifier, while the fuel tank is under the starboard berth.

Hull sides could be smartly wooden panelled for extra insulation.

The forecabin had the most layout options and was clearly intended to be the owner’s cabin.

Though long, in the pullman version the offset berth is only 1.00m/3ft 3in wide, which is narrow for a double.

The vee-berth option gives you more, but you lose the locker forward.

The choice then was whether to have a second wardrobe, a small ensuite heads/shower, or a desk/dressing table.

On deck & under way

The cockpit is wide and spacious, with straight seats cutaway around the large single wheel.

Initially, the transom had an open gate as standard; later a ‘drop in’ one became optional.

Either way, a fold-down transom platform provides room for showering and boarding from a dinghy.

Stowage is good, although better in the single aft cabin model, which has a full-depth cockpit locker to starboard.

The Hanse 400 has a 150mm-high companionway threshold and, cleverly, the one-piece Plexiglas washboard stows conveniently on top of the sliding hatch cover.

The mainsheet track is on the coachroof as standard and its sheet, together with all the other lines, are led back to the cockpit via neat rope garages.

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The wide and spacious cockpit makes it a comfortable cruiser. Credit: Andrew Pickersgill

A mainsheet across the cockpit, just forward of the wheel, was optional and popular with racers or those regularly cruising shorthanded, but it did mean sacrificing the fold-up cockpit table.

Clear access along the side decks is enhanced by the inboard shroud plates and genoa tracks, although the handrails are tokenistic.

The toe rails are a solid alloy extrusion with integral fairleads, and all six cleats are a good size and well positioned.

The foredeck is clear of obstructions, the anchor chain being fed under the locker lid to a windlass below decks.

The chain locker is absolutely vast and able to hold an armful of fenders as well as 80m or more of chain.

The single bow roller is offset to clear the bowsprit and to enable the forestay to be attached well forward, thus allowing space to have the largest jib possible.

Rig & Sails

The Hanse 400 sports a high-aspect, 9/10ths fractional rig with twin spreaders and noticeable pre-bend.

Her backstay bifurcates above the cockpit and has a powerful six-part adjuster, while her standing rigging is discontinuous.

She comes with a fully battened, slab-reefed mainsail and lazyjacks.

This, plus her self-tacking jib and primary winches right beside the helm, makes short tacking in confined spaces simple, even single-handed.

For lighter airs there was an optional 140% gennaker, using the tracks and travellers already provided, and downwind a large asymmetric can be set on the short, retractable bowsprit supplied with the gennaker kit.

The Hanse 400 has a tall mast and generous sail area, making her a quick and powerful boat, despite the relatively small headsail.

Close reaching, she is well balanced and quick, pointing high thanks to the tightness of the jib sheeting angle and ploughing her own groove with little or no input required from the helmsman to keep her on course.

A little further off the wind and she truly flies, with the log remaining above 8 knots in a constant Force 4 plus.

The Hanse 400 moored in Italy

Over Hanse 400 yachts have been sold since launch in 2003. Credit: Andrew Pickersgill

The rod-link steering is light but sensitive, providing plenty of feedback, and the helming position is excellent, offering a clear view forward over the low-profile coachroof.

Her streamlined underwater profile results in little wake and swift, but effortless tacking through 75° or so with little loss of momentum.

Under power, the standard 40hp Yanmar diesel provides plenty of oomph for quiet, economical cruising, while spinning so deftly about her keel that manoeuvring into tight marina berths without a bow thruster is a cinch.

Fuel capacity of 140 litres is a bit limiting, however.

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Owners’ Experience of the Hanse 400

S/Y Dashzani (2011, HN 814)

Andrew (54) and SWade (49) Pickersgill bought Dashzani , a three-cabin model, new at the Southampton Boat Show.

They added composite wheels, a bimini/cockpit tent, a Flexifold prop and extra anchor chain.

They’ve since replaced the lighting with LEDs, installed a new battery charger and added 300W of solar panels plus a battery monitor.

Recently, they’ve fitted a second chart plotter and instrument repeater at the chart table as well.

They’ve had a few minor faults, such as nav light failures, defective wind transducers, a faulty skin fitting and a leaking engine oil seal, but nothing structural other than beefing up the boom vang fitting.

SWade Pickersgill helming her Hanse 400, Dashzani

The low profile coachroof gives the helm excellent visibility. Credit: Andrew Pickersgill

Andrew says: ‘I have sailed all my life and spent more than 20 years chartering in the Solent, West Scotland or the Med with my wife. After buying this, our first yacht, we spent four years cruising the UK south coast, northern France and the Channel Islands, before giving up work to sail. We joined the ARC Portugal across Biscay and then carried on down to the Med, where we spent three seasons cruising Corsica, Italy, Sardinia, Sicily and Greece, before basing ourselves now on Menorca in the Balearics.

‘Dashzani is surprisingly quick under sail once the wind reaches 10 knots. The self-tacking headsail makes tacking a doddle, but the large mainsail needs reefing at around 16 knots true wind. She is well balanced and her helm light, making handling easy for a couple, but she doesn’t like light winds or beating into short choppy seas. In the past, racing crews have commented “It’s almost like helming a dinghy”, although not now with all our liveaboard kit onboard.

‘Downwind is fun, especially with the Parasailor spinnaker. Our fastest recorded speed is 14 knots, with 30 knots of wind behind us.

‘Though I’ve not sailed her single- handed, it shouldn’t be a problem and the bow thruster certainly makes manoeuvring under power easier.

‘We love the comfort and usability and, having lived onboard for 10 months of the year for five years, find her ideal for two people cruising. There’s ample room in all cabins and the cockpit tent provides excellent entertaining space. The transom platform extends the deck, making her feel much larger and providing almost step-free access when moored stern-to.

‘If travelling further afield we would prefer a larger battery bank to accommodate a freezer and water maker. However, the impact on storage space would probably steer us towards a larger yacht. ‘Being able to use her for extended periods has allowed us to enjoy her more than we could have imagined. Dashzani has ticked all the boxes (and more), from winning silverware in the Solent to sipping martinis on deck in the Med’.

S/Y Grey Goose (2005, 400e)

Owner, Mark Johnson, says, ‘My wife and I bought Grey Goose as second owners in 2012 and she has been exceptional. I’ve sailed 12,000 miles in other boats but the 3,000 miles in her have been the best. Our best 24-hour run so far is 187 miles crewed, and I have nearly equalled that solo.

‘When we bought her, she had a suit of rather aged Dacron sails, including a 130% genoa and self-tacking jib. They survive to this day, however a new offshore set has replaced them, providing a significant increase in performance. An asymmetric was an early upgrade for cruising, plus we added a spinnaker pole and track, though they’re mainly used for poling-out headsails as we rarely have sufficient crew to fly the spinnaker. After heavy weather experience, she now has a trysail and storm jib on an inner forestay too. Though the self-tacker and third reef are great high into the 30-knot wind range, I’d like to be able to change down a further gear when things get truly interesting!

The Hanse 400, Grey Goose

Owner Mark Johnson finds it easy to sail Grey Goose solo. Credit: Mark Johnson

‘My joy is sailing Grey Goose single-handed, which is ridiculously easy. One powered primary winch enables swift mainsail hoisting, the other controls the mainsheet while simultaneously helming. She has a big rig for a 40ft boat – 108m² (1,163sq ft) upwind with the genoa hoisted. The single-line reefing is simple to use too, although you do end up with a copious amount of line in the cockpit. ‘Like all high freeboard designs, berthing in unfavourable winds can be awkward, although I sailed her happily for four years without a bow thruster. When we did add one, together with a Featherstream prop, the two were a great upgrade for slow speed manoeuvres under power.

‘ Grey Goose makes a great second home. My wife loves her and I’m pleased to say, on the occasional trip with crew, they’ve also found the accommodations comfortable. Build quality is great; after 16 years there are some gelcoat stress cracks, but they’re only in non-cored deck areas and are mostly ‘wounds’ inflicted by crewmembers dropping winch handles or similar. The epoxy hull is very sound and strong. We did get an issue with the fairing covering the cast iron section of the keel, but that was lobster pot impact induced!

‘The internal woodwork has held up very well but she is getting a mid-life rig refurb and upgrade this year. It will, however, leave the rig stronger for future Atlantic crossing plans. After eight years I still don’t hanker after another boat. She’s the perfect fit for us as a cruising couple and a good balance of initial cost, versus passage making capability and running costs.’

What the experts say about the Hanse 400

Nick Vass, Marine Surveyor B,Sc B,Ed HND FRINA MCMS DipMarSur YS

www.omega-yachtservices.co.uk

The Hanse 400 had a conventional GRP hull made from polyester resin, strand fibreglass matting and woven fibreglass cloth, stiffened by a foam sheet sandwich core.

The 400e had a more sophisticated composite hull that was built using epoxy resin and glass fibre cloth pre- impregnated with epoxy resin which was cured under pressure provided by a vacuum-bagging technique.

This process allows the same foam-core sandwich stiffening material to be bonded onto the inside of the hull under pressure, which results in a better bond and helps reduce the possibility of delamination where the layers of the laminate come apart.

Nick Vass

Using epoxy instead of polyester resin also reduces the possibility of osmosis, which is just as well as I have found osmotic blistering on smaller Hanse yachts.

Dry laminate can also be an issue.

This is where not enough resin was used, resulting in the glass fibre matting being left starved of resin, making the structure weak.

Using pre-preg techniques helps ensure that the resin-to-fibre ratio is precise and that the resin infuses all of the fibres without missing patches.

The epoxy hulls were lighter as less resin was used. This is because only just enough resin needs to be mixed in.

Hanse has never made any pretence that it is anything other than a builder of modestly priced yachts and so one must expect a little cost-cutting.

Deck mouldings can be thin, but they represent good value, are good looking and are fun to sail.

A Hanse 400 was fitted with a Jeffa rudder, which had aluminium stocks. I find the stocks to be corroded and rudder post bushes can wear prematurely.

However, many German- and Scandinavian-built yachts also use this make of rudder.

The stock can become pitted just above the blade, sometimes due to galvanic corrosion caused by dissimilar metals in contact with each other.

Conventional antifouling contains a lot of copper as a biocide, which also reacts with the aluminium.

The trick is to insulate the stock with epoxy resin or use a copper-free antifouling such as International Trilux, which is designed to be applied to aluminium saildrives.

Ben Sutcliffe-Davies, Marine Surveyor and full member of the Yacht Brokers Designers & Surveyors Association (YDSA)

www.bensutcliffemarine.co.uk

The Hanse 400 and 400e didn’t have a long production run; the ones I’ve surveyed were all ex-charter fleet based abroad.

Commercial operation will often notch up high engine hours and wear to sails and running rigging, so check the yacht’s history and consider instructing a surveyor.

The Yanmar is a pretty bomb-proof engine but, like all modern engines, they do need regular servicing. Be aware of tachometers that have been replaced or frequently lose their digital readouts.

Ben_Sutcliffe-Davies

Ben Sutcliffe- Davies has been in the marine industry for over 40 years as a long- time boat builder, has been surveying craft for over 20 years and is a Full Member of the YDSA.

One of my clients had a yacht with 500 declared engine hours; on research it had over 4,500 hours.

The Hanse has a sail drive, so check when the unit’s hull sealing ring was last replaced and that the oil has no contamination.

Poor or a lack of servicing of the gearbox drive cones can often lead to a replacement unit so check servicing records.

Like Nick, I have also had issues with pitted rudder stocks and tubes.

The cockpit deck finish was teak and many yachts will now need this replacing, especially those used for charter abroad as boat decks are often washed down with a pressure washer!

As with many modern cruisers, laminates are much thinner than some older builds.

Although they are generally quite reliable, if damaged, items like the keel matrix do need proper inspection.

Alternatives to the Hanse 400 to consider

Bavaria cruiser 40.

Bavaria Cruiser 40

The steering is light and responsive. Credit: Bavaria Yachts

Until it launched the Cruiser series, Bavaria yachts were known for their practicality.

In 2009, Bavaria employed BMW to give their yachts a more modern look, inside and out, with help from the Farr design team.

The result was a notable improvement in sailing performance with ‘love it or loathe it’ contemporary styling.

Construction methods remained broadly the same. The hand laid-up hulls continued to combine waterproof isophthalic polyester resins with chopped strand and woven matting, reinforced in high load areas with unidirectional Kevlar rovings.

They also had a rigid GRP/foam floor frame and Airex foam sandwich above the waterline.

The cockpit is roomy and functional, with high coamings and a large drop-leaf table.

The twin-wheels allow easy access to a large, fold-down stern platform, ideal for deck showering or for boarding.

Unlike the bigger C45, 50 and 55, the C40 only had a single, deep spade rudder instead of twins.

The two-point, double-ended mainsheet arrangement works well, but the lack of a track limits the ability to drop the traveller down to leeward in gusty conditions.

The jib sheet tracks are on the coachroof, which keeps the sheeting angle tight, but the sheets lead to winches mounted forward in the cockpit and cannot, therefore, be reached by the helm.

Cockpit of the Bavaria Cruiser 40

The cockpit is spacious with a drop-leaf table. Credit: Bavaria Yachts

Below, a two- or three-cabin layout were available, the latter sporting two spacious aft double cabins with shared heads, as well as a decent owner’s cabin forward with optional ensuite heads.

The linear galley isn’t ideal for cooking under way, but the seatback to the central bench provides a bum support.

Six can dine in comfort around the saloon dinette.

A good-size, forward-facing nav station is opposite the rear heads and close enough for easy communication with the crew.

Under sail she is spritely and responsive.

The steering is light and positive, and requires little effort to keep on course, even when pushed hard.

The hull cuts a much cleaner swathe through the water than its predecessor, meaning less slamming and spray when beating to windward, and off the wind she flies with an asymmetric chute set on the optional bowsprit.

Dufour 405GL

Dufour 405GL

The open cockpit has deep coamings and a fixed table. Credit: Jean-Marie Liot

Winner of the European Yacht of the Year 2010 (family cruiser category) the Dufour 405GL was penned by Italian designer, Umberto Felci.

With full-length Twaron-reinforced stringers, criss-crossed by strong frames that spread the rig loads down to the keel, and injection-moulded, balsa sandwich decks, the Dufour 405GL is very robust.

Below, the Dufour has a traditional warm and woody interior with one or two aft cabins.

The former has an L-shaped galley aft and a chart/coffee table between two saloon seats, the latter a linear galley and forward-facing navigation station.

Both layouts have two heads with an ensuite forecabin and the headroom is excellent. In the cockpit, a sturdy drop-leaf table and grab bar helps the crew to move around safely under way, while the wide transom gate and drop-down swimming platform makes boarding easy.

Her generous beam provides wide decks and the foredeck is clear thanks to a recessed windlass and cavernous chain locker.

A short alloy bowsprit can be added for an asymmetric sail.

Like the Bavaria C40, she has twin wheels but only a single spade rudder.

The helmsman has easy access to the primary winches but all other sail controls and halyards are on the coachroof.

Her 9/10ths fractional rig came with semi-battened mainsail, though in-mast furling was popular. Her stem is almost plumb and she sports a long waterline.

Her deep, semi-balanced rudder offers a good grip on the water and, with the bulk of her cast iron ballast at the bottom of her keel, she remains stiff in wind.

Under sail, she is delightfully well-balanced and fun to handle, especially once trimmed up. On a close reach she’ll top 8-knots easily.

Delphia 40.1+

A Delphia 40.3

The Delphia 40.3 had a two or three cabin option. Credit: Mathias Otterberg

The Polish-built Delphia 40 went through several marques, but the differences between the models are fairly insignificant.

All had deep, shoal or swinging centreboard options. Delphias are built to Germanischer Lloyd’s exacting quality standards and are conventionally laid up by hand from solid polyester laminate below the waterline.

With a choice of a 2/3/4 cabins the Delphia 40.3 provides comfortable accommodation for extended periods.

The raised coachroof has large windows, and the 3/4 cabin models include a dinette and linear galley, whereas the latter is larger and U-shaped in the two-cabin version.

The saloon is pleasantly woody, without being gloomy, and headroom is 1.98m/6ft 6in.

The forward-facing chart table is small but adequate, with a hinged instrument console and a tray for plotting gear.

There are two heads, both of which have generous headroom and full moulded inserts.

The ensuite owner’s cabin forward boasts a generous V-berth with ample dressing area and stowage.

The berths in the aft cabins are equally roomy.

In the four-cabin version an extra twin-bunked cabin takes the place of the forward head, with the displaced head moving to the other side in place of the dressing area.

The Delphia’s cockpit is spacious, with comfortable seatbacks.

The Delphia 40.3’s shallow underwater sections, moderate beam and generous waterline make her quick and agile for her size, with no impact on stability.

She tacks briskly, even in light airs, and accelerates back up to speed in seconds. She tracks well off the wind with little to no helm adjustment needed.

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