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The Vancouver 27 Sailboat Specs & Key Performance Indicators

The Vancouver 27, a small but sturdy sailboat designed for ocean cruising, was created by Canadian designer Robert Harris in 1972 and has been built by various manufacturers in Canada, the USA and the UK.

The Vancouver 27 is a cutter-rigged boat with a full keel, a transom-hung rudder and a high freeboard. It has a spacious interior with plenty of headroom and storage space, and can accommodate up to four people. The Vancouver 27 is known for its stability, ease of handling and seaworthiness, and has been sailed around the world by many adventurous sailors.

Published Specification for the Vancouver 27

Hull Type:  Long keel with transom-hung rudder

Hull Material:  GRP (Fiberglass)

Length Overall:  27' 0" / 8.2m

Waterline Length:  22' 11" / 7.0m

Beam:  8' 8" / 2.6m

Draft:  4' 4" / 1.3m

Rig Type:  Cutter

Displacement:  8,960lb / 4,064kg

Designer:  Robert Harris

Builder:  Pheon Yachts Ltd (UK), Northshore Yachts Ltd (UK) and Philbrook's Boatyard (Canada)

Year First Built:  1973

Number Built:  More than 250

Owners Association:  Vancouver Yachts Association

Published Design Ratios for the Vancouver 27

1. Sail Area/Displacement Ratio: 14.2

2. Ballast/Displacement Ratio: 38.7

3. Displacement/Length Ratio: 332

4. Comfort Ratio: 33.2

5. Capsize Screening Formula:   1.7

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Summary Analysis of the Design Ratios for the Vancouver 27

1. A Sail Area/Displacement Ratio of just 14.2 suggests that she'll need a stiff breeze to get her going. In light conditions, unless you've got plenty of time on your hands, motor-sailing may be the way to go.

2. A Ballast/Displacement Ratio of 38.7 means that unless the bulk of the ballast is concentrated in a bulb at the foot of her keel, she'll have a tendency to heel excessively in a gust, and she'll need to be reefed early to keep her sailing upright in a moderate breeze. 

3. A Displacement/Length Ratio of 332, tells us she's clearly a heavy displacement cruising boat. You can load her down with all your cruising gear and equipment and it will hardly affect her waterline. Not an ideal choice for coastal sailing, but she'll come into her own on an offshore passage in testing conditions.

4. Ted Brewer's Comfort Ratio of 33.2 suggests that crew comfort in a seaway is similar to what you would associate with the motion of a moderate bluewater cruising boat - a predictable and acceptable motion for most seasoned sailors.

5. Her Capsize Screening Formula (CSF) of 1.7 tells us that she would be a safer choice of sailboat for an ocean passage than one with a CSF of more than 2.0.

Any Questions?

Is the Vancouver 27 still in production and, if not, when did production end and how many of these sailboats were built?

The Vancouver 27 is no longer in production. The last boat was built by Northshore Yachts in the UK in 2011. The total number of boats built is estimated to be around 250, including the extended version called the Vancouver 28.

What is the history of the builders of the Vancouver 27 and is the company still in business?

The first two boats were built by Tradewind Yachts in Canada, and then molds were made from the second boat. The molds were used by Seair Marine Ltd and Philbrook's Boatyard in British Columbia, Canada, until they were destroyed by a storm in 1988. In the UK, the molds were acquired by Pheon Yachts Ltd, which later became Northshore Yachts. Northshore Yachts continued to build the Vancouver 27 and 28 until 2011, when they ceased trading. The company was acquired by Discovery Yachts Group in 2017.

What is the Vancouver 27 like to sail?

The Vancouver 27 is not a fast or agile boat, but it is easy to sail and handle in all conditions. It can sail close to the wind, but not as well as some modern designs. It performs best on a reach or a run, where it can maintain a steady speed of around 6 knots. The boat is well-balanced and has a light helm, which makes it ideal for single-handed or short-handed sailing. The boat can cope with heavy weather and rough seas, and has a good reputation for seaworthiness.

What is the average cost of a secondhand Vancouver 27?

The price of a used Vancouver 27 depends on its condition, age, equipment and location. A typical range is between £15,000 and £35,000 (or $20,000 to $47,000) as of 2023.

What other sailboats have been created by the designer of the Vancouver 27?

Robert Harris was a prolific designer who created many other sailboats besides the Vancouver 27. Some of his most notable designs include the Tahiti Ketch, the Harris Offshore 38, the Harris Cuttyhunk 41, the Harris Pilot House Cutter, the Harris Gulfstream Cutter and the Harris Explorer Motor Sailer Series.

The above answers were drafted by sailboat-cruising.com using GPT-4 (OpenAI’s large-scale language-generation model) as a research assistant to develop source material; to the best of our knowledge,  we believe them to be accurate.

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Bluewater Sailboat – Vancouver 27

Also called: vancouver 27f, vancouver 274, vancouver 28, vancouver 27, “go anywhere” pocket cruiser.

The Vancouver 27, a “go anywhere” pocket cruiser built by Canadian Robert Harris in 1972, is the first in the Vancouver Yacht series.

This strong 27-foot cutter was specifically designed for couples who wanted to explore the oceans of the earth. The first boat, which was specifically constructed for this purpose, successfully completed a voyage from British Columbia to New Zealand and back. 

• LOA: 27′ 0″
• LWL: 22′ 11″
• Beam: 8′ 8″
• Draft: 4′ 3″
• Displacement: 8,700 lbs
• Ballast: 3,500 lbs
• Sail Area: 379 sq. ft.
• Headroom: 6′ 6″
• Designer: Robert B. Harris
• Builder: Tradewind Boats, Philbrooks Shipyard, Seair Marine Ltd (British Columbia, Canada)/Pheon Yachts, Northshore Yachts (UK)
• Year Introduced: 1972
• Total Built: over 250
• Engine: 3 cylinder Yanmar
• Fuel: 45 US Gal.
• Water: 65 US Gal.

The sturdy, attractive design garnered enough interest for moulds to be created from the second boat constructed.

More than 250 have been manufactured in all, including the extended 28 foot variant, the Vancouver 28, which is still being produced in England. Various versions went on to be created in Canada and England. When the moulds were destroyed by a storm in 1988, Canadian production came to a stop.

Her wide freeboard, tidy cockpit, and integrated bridge deck help prevent water below in choppy seas. The configuration of her keel, skeg, and stern-post shields her propeller and rudder from damage caused by grounding and fouling. Large amounts of headroom, storage capacity, and handling comfort are noticeable.

She is neither quick nor particularly close-winded, as would be expected from her design, but she is simple to handle in any situation and is perfect for a crew with fewer members. English sailor Rona House, who circumnavigated alone in her Vancouver 27, can attest to this. With the outboard rudder and cutter rig, a cruiser can use self-steering devices, which are their strongest companion on prolonged trips. Experience has proved that, even when loaded down with cruising gear, her classic hull shape can handle the rigors of offshore journeys.

The Vancouver 27’s interior features a practical small-boat layout with three berths as the standard, though a four-berth arrangement was also available, just right for a pair at sea. The three-berth version features a third berth in the saloon rather than a forward berth, providing plenty of space for stowage up front as well as enough for a roomy quarter berth, galley, and chart table. The comfort level inside is headed up by the 6′ 6″ headroom.

Performance

She is small and quite heavy, but she contributes much in the case of speed or performance. She has a complete keel with a cutaway forefoot below the surface of the sea, which gives her a steady helm and good balance on all points of sail. A three-inch addition to the beam at the waterline strengthened the design in the UK, giving the hull a prominent tumblehome that the Canadian boats lack.

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Vancouver 27

The vancouver 27 is a 27.0ft cutter designed by robert b harris and built in fiberglass by northshore yachts (uk) since 1973..

The Vancouver 27 is a heavy sailboat which is slightly under powered. It is stable / stiff and has an excellent righting capability if capsized. It is best suited as a bluewater cruising boat. The fuel capacity is originally small.

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Welcome to our web site! Read all about Bosun Bird , our Vancouver 27 sailboat, her crew and her latest adventures.

We’ve described (and photographed) the dozens of exotic destinations – hot and cold – that we visited as we sailed 30,000 miles from South Africa to our home waters in British Columbia.  For more detailed notes on areas not well covered by cruising guides – Solomon Islands; Japan; Kodiak & the Alaska Peninsula – see our Notes for Cruisers .

Nick has recounted our adventures in the wintry waters of Argentina and Chile, near Cape Horn, in his book “Winter in Fireland: A Patagonian Sailing Adventure”; take a look here for reviews and colour versions of the photographs from the book, which is available at all the usual online outlets, including Amazon and UAP , in soft cover or as an e-book. An excerpt from the book, with illustrations, was published in the September 2020 edition of the popular UK sailing magazine Yachting World. For some recommendations for further reading see The best books on sailing in Patagonia .

More recently we’ve been sailing in Alaska and British Columbia, which we now consider to be our home waters .  Recent voyages include a summer in Haida Gwaii ; an exploration of remote Seymour and Belize Inlets, behind Nakwakto Rapids ; and, in the summer of 2020, a less ambitious COVID cruise to Desolation Sound and Princess Louisa Inlet. Summer 2021 was the Summer of the Engine as we replaced our 40-year-old Bukh diesel engine. In 2022 we made up for lost time with a 900-mile, 11-week cruise Around Vancouver Island and in 2023 with a shorter cruise to waters last visited 35 years ago: Desolation Sound .

In case you’re interested in reading how ocean voyaging has changed over the past thirty years, we’ve included a short section on our earlier circumnavigation of the world (1985-89) aboard Tarka the Otter , an Albin Vega 27. A year ago we had a serendipitous reminder of that voyage when news reached us of a long-forgotten Message in a Bottle .

Nick is the author of three other books – one on Colombia, another on Sudan and the most recent on South Sudan: “ Collapse of a Country ” with a foreword with Romeo Dallaire and Shelly Whitman.  He is also a regular contributor to the UK’s “ Sailing Today ” magazine; a number of his articles can be found here.

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1975 Vancouver-27 Offshore Cutter

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Wendelin is one of those ‘good ole boats’. A proven offshore design with a pedigree. We’ve owned Wendelin since July 2000….23 years. The interior was recently painted but is in need of a couple of coats of varnish. The exterior needs paint. She is a great boat…very sea-kindly with a balanced helm. She’d work well for a skilled singlehander or experienced couple who can handle small spaces in harmony. Currently stored on-the-hard in a secure gov’t owned marina in San Blas Nayarit Mexico.

Equipment: Please check out our ad on Craigslist Vancouver for some info, a detailed list of equip and photos. Lots of sails in good or great shape. Furling. Windlass. Radar. Solar panel. Dinghy/outboard. Yanmar 12 hp diesel. Etc. Etc. She has pretty much everything you’ll need. You would need to provide your own computer (or tablet) loaded with electronic charts.

Rig and Sails

Auxilary power, accomodations, calculations.

The theoretical maximum speed that a displacement hull can move efficiently through the water is determined by it's waterline length and displacement. It may be unable to reach this speed if the boat is underpowered or heavily loaded, though it may exceed this speed given enough power. Read more.

Classic hull speed formula:

Hull Speed = 1.34 x √LWL

Max Speed/Length ratio = 8.26 ÷ Displacement/Length ratio .311 Hull Speed = Max Speed/Length ratio x √LWL

Sail Area / Displacement Ratio

A measure of the power of the sails relative to the weight of the boat. The higher the number, the higher the performance, but the harder the boat will be to handle. This ratio is a "non-dimensional" value that facilitates comparisons between boats of different types and sizes. Read more.

SA/D = SA ÷ (D ÷ 64) 2/3

• SA : Sail area in square feet, derived by adding the mainsail area to 100% of the foretriangle area (the lateral area above the deck between the mast and the forestay).
• D : Displacement in pounds.

Ballast / Displacement Ratio

A measure of the stability of a boat's hull that suggests how well a monohull will stand up to its sails. The ballast displacement ratio indicates how much of the weight of a boat is placed for maximum stability against capsizing and is an indicator of stiffness and resistance to capsize.

Ballast / Displacement * 100

Displacement / Length Ratio

A measure of the weight of the boat relative to it's length at the waterline. The higher a boat’s D/L ratio, the more easily it will carry a load and the more comfortable its motion will be. The lower a boat's ratio is, the less power it takes to drive the boat to its nominal hull speed or beyond. Read more.

D/L = (D ÷ 2240) ÷ (0.01 x LWL)³

• D: Displacement of the boat in pounds.
• LWL: Waterline length in feet

Comfort Ratio

This ratio assess how quickly and abruptly a boat’s hull reacts to waves in a significant seaway, these being the elements of a boat’s motion most likely to cause seasickness. Read more.

Comfort ratio = D ÷ (.65 x (.7 LWL + .3 LOA) x Beam 1.33 )

• D: Displacement of the boat in pounds
• LOA: Length overall in feet
• Beam: Width of boat at the widest point in feet

Capsize Screening Formula

This formula attempts to indicate whether a given boat might be too wide and light to readily right itself after being overturned in extreme conditions. Read more.

CSV = Beam ÷ ³√(D / 64)

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The first in the Vancouver Yacht series, the Vancouver 27 is a ‘go anywhere’ pocket cruiser designed by Canadian Robert Harris in 1972. This sturdy 27-foot cutter was squarely aimed for couples looking to sail the world’s oceans. Purpose built for exactly this purpose, the first boat sailed successfully from British Columbia to New Zealand and back. The solid good-looking design attracted enough attention that molds were made from the second boat built. Various versions went on to be produced in Canada and in England and more than 250 have been built in total including the extended 28 foot version, the Vancouver 28, which is still being made in England today. Canadian production ended when the molds were destroyed by a storm in 1988.

Though small and relatively heavy, she’s uncompromising with few concessions to speed and performance. Under the waterline there’s a full keel with a cutaway forefoot which gives her a stable helm and good balance on all points of sail. In the UK the design was tweaked by adding three inches to the beam at the waterline to stiffen her up, the result being a pronounced tumblehome in the hull which the Canadian boats don’t have.

In breaking seas her high freeboard, neat cockpit and built in bridge deck help prevent water below. Her propeller and rudder are protected from grounding and fouling damage by the set-up of her keel, skeg and stern-post. Lots of headroom, plenty of stowage space and ease of handling are characteristic. As would be expected by the design she’s not fast nor particularly close winded but she’s easy to handle in all conditions and ideal for a short-handed crew. English sailor Rona House can testify to this having completed a solo circumnavigation in her Vancouver 27. The cutter rig gives maximum sail plan versatility and the outboard rudder allows for use of self-steering mechanisms that are a cruiser’s best friend on long passages. Experience has shown that her traditional hull design copes easily with the rigors of offshore passages, even when chock full of cruising gear.

Inside the Vancouver 27 is a sensible small-boat layout just made for a couple at sea with three berths being the norm, although a four berth layout was also available. The three berth version has no berth forward but instead has the third berth aft in the saloon leaving plenty room for stowage up front as well as space for a generously sized quarter berth, galley and chart table. 6′ 6″ of headroom heads up the comfort factor inside.

Buyer’s Notes

The majority of boats are to be found in the UK although some can still be found in North America.  New boat prices can be obtained from Northshore yachts and a current search of the used boat market reveals prices for these boats between 12,200 – 26,600 Pounds Sterling or 19,500- 41,500 Canadian dollars depending on age and condition. Although no major problems have been discovered, the heel of the rudder is one weak point that needs careful inspection.

Links, References & Further Reading

» Vancouver 27 Review on boats.com »  Vancouver 27 Brochure on patsturgeonyachts.com »  Vancouver Yachts Association , info, images, history. »  History of Vancouver Yachts in the UK by Andrew Dandridge »  History of Pheon Yachts/Vancouver on Owner’s Site » Vancouver 28 on the Southerly website (Northshore Shipyard).

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Vancouver 27

Located at Bursledon

Make: Vancouver

Engine Make: Bukh

Horsepower: 20

Drive Type: Sail

• Fuel Type: Diesel

Price: £18,000

• Location: In Bursledon
• Keel: Full Keel

Vancouver 27, 1979

Long keel with transom-hung rudder, tiller steering, masthead rig with slab reefing mainsail and furling headsail.

The Vancouver 27 is a ‘go anywhere’ pocket cruiser. This sturdy 27-foot cutter was squarely aimed at couples looking to sail the world’s oceans. Purpose built for exactly this purpose, the first boat sailed successfully from British Columbia to New Zealand and back. More than 250 were built.

Buhk DV 20 20hp Diesel Inboard Engine hauled out and rebuilt May 2019 Shaft drive Fixed 3 blade prop Fuel tank cleaned and fuel polished December 2023 2 new valves, valve seats reground and head gasket - 2022 New prop, stern tube and cutless bearing - 2022

Electrical 2 x 75 amp/hr batteries for the engine and domestic - 2020 Engine alternator 12v electrical system Around 75% of the wiring has been replaced, and much redundant cabling removed. The main switch panel was rewired Battery monitoring - BM1

Navigation Icom IC-M601 VHF / DSC Raymarine RC530 Chartplotter Speed/Depth - Clipper Duet Wind - Clipper Compass Raymarine autopilot - untested AIS transponder that is connected to a Raspberry Pi running OpenCPN - 2021

Deck Teak laid cockpit seating and sole Teak toe rail and grab handles Tiller steering S/S push and pull pit Guard wires 2 x Gibb ST winches for genoa 2 x Gibb coachroof winched for halyards Swim ladder Dorade vents x 3 Manual windlass Anchor and chain Lift raft holder

Canvas Sprayhood

Safety Manual Bilge pump Horseshoe lifebuoy

Miscellaneous The hull was grit blasted, filled, faired and copper coated over the winter of 2021/22 at Deacons 2.7m Seago tender - by separate negotiation EPropulsion electric outboard - by separate negotiation

Masthead sloop rig Aluminum mast and boom Most lines lead aft Single spreader S/S standing rigging - New 2012 Inner forestay Spinnaker pole Sails 3 mainsails - two standard and one fully battened (bought second hand in 2021 as part of a set including the currently fitted yankee, a furling staysail and the main) Yankee Genoa Hank on staysail Cruising chute Storm jib Storm trisail

Four berths - 2 in saloon plus Port and Starboard quarter berths

Forepeak Forepeak for sail stowage access to the chain locker forward. Marine toilet Wash basin with pressurised cold water tap and shower Hanging and stowage.

Saloon Generous berth to starboard and port Double flap table on the center line Shelving

Galley Stainless steel sink with drainer and foot pumps for fresh and salt water Two burner cooker with grill and oven Gas pipes were all replaced 2020 New flexible water tank 2020

Chart Table Large chart table with stowage for charts

Northshore built hull, finished by Fion Yachts in 1979/80 GRP Hull, Deck and Coachroof Dimensions LOA: 28 ft 0 in Beam: 8 ft 8 in LWL: 22 ft 11 in Maximum Draft: 4 ft 6 in Displacement: 4064 kgs

Tankage Fresh Water Tanks: 1 (75 Litres) Fuel Tanks: 1 Stainless steel (150 Litres)

Documentation Bills of Sale - Evidencing 5 years clear title Berthing letter - Evidencing UK location - 31.12.20 SSR certificate - Expired (First Registered 1985)

For a full, detailed specification with additional photographs and direct contact details for the listing office visit our website

The Company offers the details of this vessel in good faith but cannot guarantee or warrant the accuracy of this information nor warrant the condition of the vessel. A buyer should instruct his agents, or his surveyors, to investigate such details as the buyer desires validated. This vessel is offered subject to prior sale, price change, or withdrawal without notice.

Unless otherwise stated on the specification sheet the following presumptions are made Sail drive and shaft seals are more than 5 years of age Fuel and gas hoses and regulators are over 5 years old Standing rigging and sails are more than 10 years old NOTE - Please ring our offices prior to visiting, as the boat may be unavailable for viewing or located at a different marina.

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Vancouver 27 £18,000

Fuel Type: diesel

Cruise Speed: knots

Top Speed: knots

Location: Bursledon

Draft: 1.22m

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Vancouver 27 vs Albin Vega 27

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Just looking to hear how other people feel these boats stack up against each other? I lean towards the Vancouver but like the prices of the Vega. The ones I've looked at so far all seam sea worthy however both the Vancouvers need major interior refits compared to decent interiors in the Vegas I've been to see. I prefer the Vancouvers mainly for the transom hung rudder, and I'm not a huge fan of that massive window on the Vega but I'm willing to over look that because of their reputation. Basically I want to know of one is an inherintely and substantionally better boat or does it come down to personal preference. They both seem pretty similar overall. Sidenote: the Vancouvers are both of the single headsail variety no cutter rigs.  

Vancouver off course! Albin seems good boat but Vancouver for me is better!!! My next boat Will be' a vancouver  

They are pretty different boats. Look at the displacement of each for a start. Both have a good reputation and have done a lot of open ocean miles. What kind of sailing are you going to do with the boat? For local/coastal sailing perhaps the Vega would be better. I'd favour the Vancouver for crossing oceans and I think the layout of the Vancouver 27 is very good for an offshore boat. By coincidence, I'm reading a book by an English couple who sailed extensively in Patagonia and the Chilean canals in a Vancouver 27. They did a prior circumnavigation on a Vega 27. The book is called "Winter in Fire Land" if you're interested in a first-hand account of challenging sailing aboard a Vancouver 27.  

The Van 27 is a lot more boat. It was designed specifically as a minimum offshore cruiser for 1 or 2 people.  

@copocabana Thanks for the book recommendation. Do they compare the two boats in it? It would be nice to read a first hand account comparing the two. Met a guy today who worked in the construction of the original Van 27s and was able to point out some of their features. I guess they had a slight design change in 77, added a bit of beam at the water line to stiffen her up. He's made one for himself, out of wood and cold molded with fiberglass. Looks really nice inside even unfinished. He even had a set of drawings for the windvane among other things. My heart says Vancouver, but my wallet says I'll have more left in the kitty with an Albin. Maybe I should just go with an Alberg 30. Sent from my GT-P6210 using Tapatalk 2  

An Albin Vega can be drasticaly improved as an offshore boat, by putting an outboard rudder on her, on a well built skeg. It can drastically simplify self steering, inside and autopilot steering, via a trimtab on the trailing edge of the rudder..  

Agri, the author doesn't really compare the boats, but you will get a feeling for the ability of the Vancouver 27 when he describes the tough conditions down to Patagonia. I know many will argue the Vega is a great boat (no doubt it is), but if you can afford the Vancouver, I'd go for it. You haven't mentioned what you want to do with the boat though. The Vancouver 27 would make an excellent pocket cruiser to go just about anywhere in comfort. For weekend coastal sailing I think the Vega might be better. What is the condition of each boat?  

I'm actually trying to decide between two Vegas a Vancouver and a Pacific Seacraft 25. The higher priced of the two Vegas has been recently repowered as has the Vancouver. That said the owners of the higher priced Vega as well as the Vancouver didn't seem that big on maintenance. The survey from last year said that the alternator belt needed to be tightened which has clearly not been done, the water in the bilge is oily as well. On the Vancouver all the standing rigging is loose not just a little bit but considerably. Seeing that makes me wonder why the boat was repowered and what other things might be neglected. On the other hand the lower priced Vega is in excellent condition for her age, at least to my eye. The owner seemed to be a very meticulous person. The kind of guy that needs to have everything working just right. The minus side was that it still had the original engine in it. That said I could see nothing wrong with it. It fired up and ran fine. Apparantly he has a spare one he uses for parts as well as a reliable supplier in Europe. If it wasn't for the engine being original I probably would have bought the boat on the spot. It wasn't just the engine that was original, it still had all the original teak cleats as well. As far as sailing intentions go I have big dreams but for the near future mainly coastal sailing. Sent from my GT-P6210 using Tapatalk 2  

Agri, I'm going to go out on a limb with some advice here ... I haven't seen the boats you're looking at, but I'd approach it like this: both the Vega and Vancouver are small boats and should have low refit and maintenance costs. The big costs are likely going to be (a) engine replacement, (b) complete re-rigging and (c) a new suit of sails. If the Vancouver has a new engine then I'd look carefully at the rig and sails. If they're in good shape, I'd go for the Vancouver providing the hull and decks are solid. Most of the systems in a boat that size are going to be both simple and inexpensive to fix and replace. You'll likely have foot pumps for water, no fridge (just an icebox), no fancy systems. A simple boat is easy to maintain and you'll find that you can do the work yourself without it becoming onerous. You're getting a lot of boat with the Vancouver, especially if your plans include sailing off into the sunset.  

copacabana said: Agri, I'm going to go out on a limb with some advice here ... I haven't seen the boats you're looking at, but I'd approach it like this: both the Vega and Vancouver are small boats and should have low refit and maintenance costs. The big costs are likely going to be (a) engine replacement, (b) complete re-rigging and (c) a new suit of sails. Click to expand...

The Vancouver 27, from a quick search, displaces 8,960 lbs and the Vega 5,148 lbs. They are both small boats and I would expect very similar costs to maintain either. I don't see why the Vancouver would cost as much as a 32ft or 34ft boat. In both the case of the Vancouver and the Vega one would expect simple systems. There just isn't the space to start loading on a lot of complex systems on a boat this size. Another advantage of the Vancouver with its higher displacement is that it is likely able to carry more weight in supplies before its sailing ability is compromised.  

The displacement of the Van 27 is nearly double that of the Albin. Boat expenses go up more in relation to displacement than LOA. These days 10K Lbs is pretty typical for 32'-34' boats so I would expect the size of gear needed and so forth to be similar to the Van 27.  

I see your point John, and normally I would agree. It's just that when you talk about such a small, simple boat I don't think the displacement will make much of a difference in the maintenance costs. The Vancouver may have a bigger anchor, perhaps a new suit of sails will cost a bit more, etc. We're still talking inexpensive boat costs for both boats. Both the Vega and the Vancouver are pretty much perfect pocket cruisers. Our friend Agri is in a win-win decision situation. Personally, I'd go for the Vancouver if it surveyed well as I like the layout better and I believe it's a tougher cruiser (and it was designed specifically as a small offshore cruising boat).  

Absolutely - the Van 27 is just a lot more boat. I don't think there's any question that it's the better choice in this instance.  

Thanks for the help. The Vega and the Van both meet my requirements there is no doubt about that. I'm definitely leaning towards the Van I really prefer the transom mounted rudder and the overall look of the boat. The problem I'm having right now is that in the interest of covering all my bases and checking out every boat in the area that appeared to me might requirments I took a look at a Pacific Seacraft 25. Now while it checks a lot of boxes for me personally, full keel, transom mounted rudder, double ended, compression post under the mast, chain plates on everything ( even the stantions for the life lines have chain plates on the under side which the Vega didn't have) when I sat in the cockpit it didn't seem as if it would be as dry as the above mentioned boats. That said when I close my eyes its the one I'm thinking of. I guess I just need to hurry up and make a decision. The broker for the Van called me today saying that others are showing interest in it so my chance at a good deal may be slipping away there if I don't hurry up and decide. Sent from my GT-P6210 using Tapatalk 2  

The PS25 is a sweetheart - a real little ship that just reeks of quality but for long term cruising it would come up a bit short - pun intended - no standing headroom. It's also nearly 1/2 the size of the Van 27, about the same disp. as the Vega.  

+1!! Try to imagine spending weeks on end in the cabin of the PS 25. Imagine the back aches! Imagine the lumps on the head!  

Can't speak to the Van 27 as I have never seen one, but I owned a Vega for 10 years. Fantastic boat, often wish I still had it. The Vega is truly well designed and quality built. Some aspects are a bit unusal by today's design briefs but it is a package that works when you are actually out there, doing it (think old Volvo joke ad: boxy but good!). There were probably more Vegas built than any other boat that size (3000+). Numerous ocean crossings and circumnaigations too. Great owner associations in US & GB with lots of advice and support. Sweet sailing boat. You won't regret owning one.  

Vancouver 27's are as slow as a bureaucrat's brain.  

That is definitely something worth considering which I haven't been until now. With almost 5000 pounds more of displacement and a couple feet less on the water line it's going to take a bit more wind to get a Van 27 going, I assume. Sent from my GT-P6210 using Tapatalk 2  

No question that with a designed SA/D of 14 it's going to want some wind to move. I sure wouldn't want to own one for local cruising but if one is looking for a minimal offshore cruiser, it is in pretty limited company.  

Agri, you would do well to get the book I mentioned above as it really gives a great account of what a Vancouver 27 can do. Link below: Winter in Fireland: A Patagonian Sailing Adventure: Amazon.ca: Nicholas Coghlan: Books@@AMEPARAM@@http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51oEcFonP9L.@@AMEPARAM@@51oEcFonP9L The British couple average 100 nautical miles or better a day on all their passages, which is reasonable for a 27 footer. Their route went from South Africa to Brazil, down the Atlantic coast to Patagonia and then into the Chilean canals (I haven't finished the book yet, so I don't know where they go next!). Demanding, difficult conditions the whole way and the boat performed flawlessly. This is an area very seldom sailed in 27-foot boats... It might not be the ideal choice for local sailing in light winds, but I think for longer trips it's pretty much ideal. The lower SA/D isn't necessarily a big problem. The Van 27 is a cutter so it is well suited to going downwind with both headsails poled out. You can also use a code zero or asymmetrical to get more sail area in light conditions. The cutter rig makes it much easier to balance the boat, especially when you start to reduce sail. Most of their sailing in the south Atlantic was under just a (partially furled) staysail and perhaps a triple-reefed main. This kept the boat balanced and comfortable in bad conditions. Again, the kind of sailing you plan on doing will determine whether the Vancouver or the Vega is better for you. Both are terrific boats. Have you had the chance to take a trial sail on both yet? I think a few hours on each boat will help you to make the decision. One will just feel "right".  

I'm going to look at another Van 27 today, however I believe this one is sloop rigged. From what I know of the Van 27 design it wouldn't be that hard to change it into a cutter. It's a lot newer then the other one I've looked at but I like the extra sail area of a cutter. Is there any advantage to having a cutter over a sloop on this size of boat? I'm thinking that the extra sail area would help offset the heavy displacement in light winds. Sent from my GT-P6210 using Tapatalk 2  

Less efficient but it gives you some flexibility re: shortening down without going on the foredeck - at least if you have downhauls on the foresails. A big genoa is better for sailing efficiency than jib & staysail of equivalent area.  

Agri, you'll find that there are fans of both cutters and sloops. A sloop has some advantages to windward. A cutter is more flexible, as John mentions, and you'll find it easy to balance the boat in all conditions, especially in heavy weather. I have a cutter and I can only see advantages to this rig, but that's just my opinion. You can always add a removable stay to a sloop to raise a storm staysail in heavy weather. This gives you a good storm sail plan with the advantages of a sloop for normal sailing. Let us know how the hunt for the boat goes and try to send some pics! Good luck!  

Someone I know has a Vancouver 32. If the 27 is built anything like that 32, there is no comparison. Vancouver's are built like a brick s#$@ house.  

Agri said: Just looking to hear how other people feel these boats stack up against each other? I lean towards the Vancouver but like the prices of the Vega. The ones I've looked at so far all seam sea worthy however both the Vancouvers need major interior refits compared to decent interiors in the Vegas I've been to see. I prefer the Vancouvers mainly for the transom hung rudder, and I'm not a huge fan of that massive window on the Vega but I'm willing to over look that because of their reputation. Basically I want to know of one is an inherintely and substantionally better boat or does it come down to personal preference. They both seem pretty similar overall. Sidenote: the Vancouvers are both of the single headsail variety no cutter rigs. Click to expand...

For all those that are curious, I went with a Vancouver 27. When all is said and done it seemed like the best choice. The inside is nearly completely bare. There are a couple of benches, a head, some slats on the V-berth futon style to put a matteress on. A sink, chart table and, massive stainless steel compression post (This was the feature that sealed the deal over the Vega, all the Vegas I looked at had noticeable sagging under the mast inside the cabin). Other then that everything inside is bare fiberglass. Outside it has the same rigging as a Nor'sea 27 so the mast is a little taller then on a regular Van 27 and it also means the standing rigging is bulkier 5/16 instead of 3/16. This one is sloop rigged and apparantly the last one put out by Seair, hull built 83, but not commissioned until '98. Right now she is on the hard and the mast is down so the pictures aren't the greatest but I'll post them when I get the chance. One other thing the current owner never named her so I get that privilege. Sent from my GT-P6210 using Tapatalk 2  

Agri said: For all those that are curious, I went with a Vancouver 27. When all is said and done it seemed like the best choice. The inside is nearly completely bare. There are a couple of benches, a head, some slats on the V-berth futon style to put a matteress on. A sink, chart table and, massive stainless steel compression post (This was the feature that sealed the deal over the Vega, all the Vegas I looked at had noticeable sagging under the mast inside the cabin). Other then that everything inside is bare fiberglass. Outside it has the same rigging as a Nor'sea 27 so the mast is a little taller then on a regular Van 27 and it also means the standing rigging is bulkier 5/16 instead of 3/16. This one is sloop rigged and apparantly the last one put out by Seair, hull built 83, but not commissioned until '98. Right now she is on the hard and the mast is down so the pictures aren't the greatest but I'll post them when I get the chance. One other thing the current owner never named her so I get that privilege. Sent from my GT-P6210 using Tapatalk 2 Click to expand...

Congratulations on your your boat Agri! You've bought a real gem of a small cruiser. Post some pics when you can. Did you end up buying the one with the newer engine? I must say, however, that I don't envy you the work ahead of fitting out the interior! Nothing is ever straight or at right angles in a boat and it'll drive you crazy! May I suggest cardboard mock-ups before you actually start cutting wood. Good luck with the boat and keep us posted of your progress!  

Thanks guys and thanks for your input as well. I didn't by the one with the newer engine, but the engine in the one I bought is not by any means near the end of its life. I'm looking forward to the challenge of fitting out the interior, I'm not in any hurry and hope to have it mostly done by March/April. I'm posting a couple of pics below. Sent from my GT-P6210 using Tapatalk 2  

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Are you in that yard at the foot of Pemberton, just past the AirCare sniffer station?  

I don't know Vancouver well so I'm not sure. Its on the hard at the Lionsgate Marina, I do recall seeing something about an aircare facility near there. Sent from my GT-P6210 using Tapatalk 2  

That's the one.  

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Hello, Am going to look at a Vancouver 27 which is for sale. Do any of you have first hand experience of these boats? If so can you advise me of any potential problem areas to look for. What I have read suggests that they are good for long distance / ocean sailing. Anyone with practical experience care to comment? Thanks.  

I have zero practical experience on the Vancouver 27, but it was on the top of my list.. The only issue is, for a 27ft boat, they're pretty expensive. You could probably buy a Southern Cross in the 31+ foot range for that kind of money in the US.  

Thanks for the comment. Way back when I was a student in the late 60's an insurance exec told me that there was no such thing as a cheap boat. Subsequent experience owning a number of boats and skippering other peoples charter yachts has confirmed that. As I am based in Europe importing a boat from the US would probably double the cost after VAT and paying all the eurorats for their meaningless bits of paper. What I would really appreciate are observations of the V 27 based on experience.  

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Owned one for several years, solidly built, good headroom 6 foot plus, very easy motion and comfortable, Getting long in the tooth now, the last ones were produced in 1986 by Pheon at the time of the Northshore takover when it was changed to the 28. So it will require a refit or is likely to be expensive. Not fast, nor particularly close winded but very easy to handle in all conditions. A cruising chute and or gennaker is a must if you want to sail most of the time. Engines were mainly Bukh 20 Hp with the last few Bukh24s both if maintained should be OK some were reengined Betas seem popular, expect reletivly high engine hours. Several layouts were offered from the standard 3 berth to the 4 berth pipecots often fitted in the 3 berths to get them up to 5 berth but that would be a bit crowded. There were some home completed versions! The cockpit is deep and safe accomodating 4 comfortably. Loads of locker space no matter which model and all come with a genuine wet locker. Many will have cruised extensivly and will be equiped as such but may also show the wear and tear. David Rainsbury who writes in PBO etc has recently bought one and has written several articles. There is an owners association with a web site and a forum. I had the four berth and only changed because I wanted a quicker boat. They have no real faults but do look for all the usual signs of wear and tear, I only know of one early boat that had minnor osmosiss the layup was substantial and well laminated and were treated at manufacture with an epoxy paint which some times shows signs of blistering off but is easily abraded back and replaced with one of the standard treatments. PM me if you have any specific questions and I will try to answer and may be able to find someone who can if I can not.  

Many thanks Petehb, most helpful, especially the information about epoxy from new. May well take you up on the offer of further help once I have seen the boat.  

We have one of these and have found it great for a couple, for the seaworthiness reasons mentioned above. I had my mind set on a Vancouver 27 when living in Australia, but it wasn’t until I was seconded to the UK for work that I actually found one. I didn’t want one with a teak deck so it took us a while to find the right one, as the teak deck is in the majority. The reason I didn’t want teak is that after 20+ years it looks tied and in many cases water has leaked through the screws into the marine ply underlying the GRP deck layer (causing potential rot problems). I’m sure the decks can be re-laid with teak, but naturally at a cost. We purchased ours late last year. It seems that those which are in reasonable condition (needing some non-urgent cosmetic work) sell for between £22k and £26k, and those that need more substantial work in the high teens (say £18k-£19k). I know there are some on the market that are in top condition asking as much as £30k, not sure if they will get that though. Overall a fantastic boat if you want to cruise (distance is no limit) on your own or with a partner. One downside is that they are not very manoeuvrable in reverse, particularly in a tight marina!!  

I was aboard a V27 a few months ago in Kyleakin. I seem to remember that she had come from up your way, or perhaps from even further north. Great boat, loadsa room, great reputation. If I had the dosh either a V27 or V28 would be my next boat. (What a fine place Stromness is)  

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Complete replacement of the teak is very expensive - could be £8-10k done professionally. Recaulking and plugging perhaps half that - if there is still enough thickness to do it. Alternative is fake teak - a bit cheaper than real but probably easier to DIY or stripping, filling, epoxy coating and paint. Good negotiaiting point with the vendor.  

[ QUOTE ] There is one in Devon that the broker has admitted that the teak deck is lifting. [/ QUOTE ] I think I know the one. It has been there for a while and I have been watching the price come down. I suggest offering low as you may very well get a bargain there. PM me if you want further details.  

I've got a 10 year old V28. And have lived aboard since May 06, crossing the Atlantic to Brazil in January. Can second the comments on teak decks. Don't, especially if you plan on going to the tropics, get a teak decked boat. Teak gets too hot to walk on (in barefeet) and my seams started to open up a bit and let water in underneath. For some reason there a lot of holes had been drilled in the deck (not all associated with the teak deck) and she began to leak like a sieve into most of the lockers. Very fiddly to stop these leaks. Otherwise most of my problems have been minor but irritating quality control issues not picked up by the first owner. They are not fast boats, particularly when kitted out for long term cruising. Mine is very easy to sail single handed and our Aries windvane does most of the steering. Not a lot happens with under 10 knots of wind. I plan on 100 mile days and we averaged over 4 knots Cape Verdes to Brazil. Make sure you get a surveyor who is very familiar with these boats. Northshore gave me a list. PM me if you need more info.  

Many thanks for all the comments, most helpful. I went to see the boat at the weekend, clean and tidy but basic sails and inventory, most of the instruments were probably original fit. Can any one tell me how the teak decks on these boats are fastened down? No sign of screw holes or teak plugs in the deck, but was able to see the under side of the grp deck in the forepeak and there were a lot of small holes. Did not poke into them but they may have been pilot holes for self tapping screws. On deck one plank end was slightly loose and in a few places could push my thumb nail between the caulking and a plank. Also, how reliable are the water tanks? they look like heavy PVC fabric but seem to be connected in series so one leak could empty the lot.  

I think the decks were stuck down, as you say the holes could be from screws used to pull or hold the deck down whilst the adhesive set, it would certainly be possible to find out. The water tanks are fine I did think of installing valves or taps in between but in the end never bothered. The 32s and 34s were fitted out the same and I have had no problems. They are very easy to remove for cleaning both the bags themselfs and the compartments they sit in. When I removed them on the 34 I lined the space with polythene sheet as a precaution against wear. If and its a big if, I bought or god forbid owned a boat with a dodgy teak deak I would be tempted to strip the lot off and re gelcoat the entire deck, I have seen a couple of good repairs like this and they were significantly cheaper than new teak. The chain plates are a relativly common source of leaks but easily removed and resealed from above.  

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Possible that you're looking at the second deck, the first having being screwed, the second bonded.  

• 18 Oct 2008

jamie_Cacique

Hi I have a V27 Cacique She was circumnavigated single handed by Rona House 1990 to 1993. I bought her in 2003 she had been left in the yard for 10 years. It took me 3 1/2 years of 2hrs every night and every week end to rebuild her (friday night and the odd wedding and anual holiday are the only breaks). She had osmosis, I had her peeled and epoxy coated with 5 layers of gelsheild. (She had previously been treated some years before). Some of the bulkheads had to be replaced due to de-lamination but this I beleive was due to water ingress and lack of maintainence. The king plank that was glassed under the foredeck had completely rotted (under the windlass) and was a big-ish job to do as it was glassed over and the glass cover on the underside had to be ground off to enable me to epoxy in a new peice of marine ply. It was only after removing the wildlass that I found that the plank was U/S. I don't have laid teak decks, just the diamond effect grain on the side and fore decks which are painted with nonslip. In the cockpit I have strips of teak about 2 1/2" wide with about 1/2" gaps attached to the upper surfaces and locker tops. I removed all the strips so the paint could be applied and refitted them, this is ideal as water can't get under without the owner realising. I have converted the port berth into a double. Pay attention to the mast support in the cabin, the support in mine at the floor was beggining to collapse, also at the deck head the teak support was split, these are common problems easily rectified. On the port side the staysail track fixings had been leaking that caused the balsa core to rot this is a fault you can't detect without removing the headlining. On the plus side she is a dream to sail and if you trim the sails right she will sail with the tiller unattended, the staysail is the key to sailing her. I have a roller yankee and a hank on staysail. Please pm me if you want more details I can go on for ages, she's no racer but A fantastic boat.  

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• Vancouver 27 $40,000 North Vancouver
• Gulf 32 Offshore Pilohouse Cutter $32,600 Vancouver
• 3 Fun Mugs Indigo Canada, Henry V111 Wives, Coffee Theme lkNew $5 + up $5 North Vancouver
• sailboat art $250 marpole
• "COWICHAN" wool Sweaters (#40+) as a 'JOB-LOT' in vg to as new shape $0 circa 1970's thru late 80'S mostly
• Pen Holder with Spinning Globe and Sailboat $20 Vancouver
• 2 decorative throw pillows $30 Coquitlam Centre mall
• Lego Ideas Sailboat Adventure. BNIB. Set number 40487. $50 East Vancouver
• Marine Diesel 13hp Sole) $1,500 Bellingham
• A complete interior set of C&C 27 foot sailboat cushions $900 Surrey
• Framed and Signed Water Colour Sailboat on Ocean $30 Vancouver
• #5 sets "PIONEER" orange/hi-viz Bib OVERALLS XL&XXL S $65 NEW condition "Star-Tech" fluro striping
• Sailing Dinghy $400 city of vancouver
• Framed Etched Mirror Sailboat Regatta $20 Vancouver
• C220 Buccaneer Bayliner Sailboat $3,000 Powell River
• Sailboat (hydrofoil) $5,900 Vancouver
• 02 Itasca motorhome 46000 m $33,500 Salt Spring Island
• Martec Folding Propeller for Sailboat $50 Vancouver
• Framed Art $1 Belcarra/Port Moody
• Metal Sailboat Sculpture $40 city of vancouver
• Looking for a sail boat share or purchase $1 False Creek, Vancouver
• Vintage Sailboat Wall Art $50 Surrey
• Moorage $150 Richmond, Vancouver, New West
• Retro-Style Sailboat Earrings! ⛵ $20 Vancouver
• Boat trailers tipping style single axle $300 Delta
• Sailboat Rawson $8,200 Delta
• Large 16” Clock with Sailboat Art in Box $30 Vancouver
• 31’ WESTERLY LONGBOW SAILBOAT - OPEN TO OFFERS $0 VANCOUVER
• harken 125mm Loop Snatch Block $200 Vancouver
• ePropulsion Spirit 1.0 Plus w/Battery $4,000 Vancouver
• Large 21 piece baby girl summer clothing lot 3-6m: Gap, Gymboree etc $30 New Westminster - Victoria Hill
• ANTIQUE ART DECO BRASS MODEL BOAT SHIP SAILBOAT YACHT TABLE. LAMP WORK $150 Vancouver
• Vintage Suitcase $25 Kits
• Small boats $3,500 Maple Ridge
• Boat partner wanted, $1,234 Delta
• ePropulsion Spirit 1.0 Plus 3HP Electric Outboard Motor w/Battery $4,000 Vancouver
• Mostly new sail boat hardware $0 Surrey
• sailboat sails 26 ft boat $300 Richmond
• High end Viking/Rozendal Standard Tri-Lens Radar Reflector 12x6 model $250 Coquitlam
• MacGregor 26X $19,000 city of vancouver
• Antiques ARCHIBALD DAVID REID (BRITISH 1844-1908) "Sailboat" $1,400 Vancouver
• 2008 Bavaria 38 $187,900 Garden Bay
• Sailboat jib sheet, track leads (pair) $15 South Surrey
• New Sailboat blocks (pulleys) $90 South Surrey
• 35 Endurance Cutter-Bluewater/Liveaboard $19000 O.B.O!!(SALE PENDING) $19,000 Vancouver
• EXCEPTIONAL FLOAT HOME, 60' DOCK AND 3 CAR GARAGE $3,888,800 Delta
• Raymarine SeaTalk to SeaTalkng Converter Kit E22158 $100 West Vancouver
• Sailboat Moorage wanted $1 Vancouver
• Silver Pewter Sailboat Figurine $25 city of vancouver
• Omega Seamaster Aqua Terra Mens Watch (41mm) $5,775 West end Vancouver bc
• 23 foot sailboat $2,000 Vancouver
• Boom gallows $75 West end
• 1994 CATALINA 320 SAILBOAT - EXCELLENT $79,000 West Vancouver