Boat: Gozzard 36 | What is the diference besides hulls between a or Trimaran. | 07-11-2006, 20:10 | | Boat: 50ft powercat, light,long and low powered | ,quick sail on weekend with ocasional month or 2 away. Do you want to sail at 1/2 wimdspeed or better, or do you think you'll be bappy plodding around at mono speed[ figures ] All these things very important to know, but to get a real idea we need to know........how much are you wanting to spend. Can't give you too much of an honest opinion on Northern Hemisphere multi's , but have a fair idea,but can on Southern eg Oz and N/Z Dave | | | 07-11-2006, 21:58 | | | convert, I will put my 2 cents in. From what I have gathered, tri's sail faster, but a bit less flat than a cat. space is far more on a cat with a bridge . (Our tri has a 6'6" beam on a 37' main hull) Later model cats are far more available than late model tris. space on a tri, and on later ones, tramp size is far larger than a cat with a large bridge deck. Tris generally only have one , where cats generally have two. Cats generally have two rudders, tris only one. I have heard that cats will point higher. The rig and internal layout on a tri is more along the lines of that on a mono, so if you are a traditionalist, the tri may be more appealing, but the emense space on a cat does have advantages. If you are cruising with a , or guests, a cat offers more private space than most tris. Keep in mind, this is a generalization. There are tris out there with huge bridge decks, and there are cats without bridge decks, and with outboards for . | | | 08-11-2006, 01:07 | | | and with the "crew" I always thought that Cats and tri's were going to be out of my range until recently when the of my 50 Morgan became a reality and just by chance I stumbled upon a Cat that set this inquiry in motion. I was quit amazed at the VAST usable livable area, ease of sail. I easily single anded this vessel. With my past I have bought them and not done much customizing, now I am looking at getting something a little bit older and customizing it to fit my needs not worrying about how it will affect the re-sale of the vessel but rather making the until into someting I will be happy with and not just settling with. I have never been a traditional sailor and can honestly say that now I have had a touch of speed added to my experience I will not go back to a that creeps across the , however I do not have intrest in a . Like just about every one else on this board I would like to cut the lines and sailing from one to another but realistically speaking I sail around the Carrib and , I will never cross the Atlantic or the Pacific unless I truly get .. I need something with a low , now that I know it can be had - a that could be enclosed with and or plastic windows would be amazing during the rains or the clouds of bugs that drop by. I do not play with so it would be nice to have an Arch to mount my up high.. I am pretty much on the Cat idea, however I was confused about the tri's difference. It is amazing how little I know about these but with this board's search and your replies I am a lot! I am now looking into over all width of Cats to ensure my slip will accomidate. | | | 08-11-2006, 07:03 | | Boat: PDQ32 | | | | 08-11-2006, 08:43 | | Boat: Privilege 37 | . Normally has a lot less space inside than an equivalent cat. Need a LOT more looking after in bad . most have , and in survival conditions, it is not just the dagger board that can trip the tri, but it has also happened that the small has itself acted as the trip. Catamaran - much better as a cruising due to the much larger space. are well worth a look . are also good. There are a number that have problems so you need to seek based on specific make. make a nice but its more performance orientated and has - which have no place on a short handed crew . | | | 08-11-2006, 09:08 | | Boat: 47' Olympic Adventure | - ie. loves and hates? I've never heard anything bad about PDQ, and since the of used 32's seems to be attractive, I may just have to add it to the list. TIA. Kevin | | | 08-11-2006, 11:07 | | Boat: PDQ32 | that they switched to after the first few years of production and I find performance to be very good. Speeds in the 7 to 10 range are routine. Once you get more than 15 knots of you can sail in the double digits. I have heard owners report speeds as high as 15 knots however I am inclined to be more conservative so once I get up beyond 12 knots I will reef to slow her down. I certainly have not had any trouble running away from a Gemini and I don't get the under deck pounding that they do as the bridge deck clearance on the PDQ32 is excellent. On board accomodations are very good with two full size double beds located aft where they are quiet, comfortable, and well ventilated. The two 9.9 Yamahas drive the boat along very well and make marina manouvers a snap however they can be noisy if you are in a hurry. Long term I may install a couple motors and a small genset. I don't think you will find a better all around boat in this size of catamaran. | | | 08-11-2006, 12:52 | | Boat: Catalac Catamaran | in this regard. It's been asked what your intended use will be, and this may be an important consideration as , in general, Cats can be loaded more heavily than a Trimaran. There are some other threads concerning catamarans on this forum which might be useful in completely your . Good Luck Rick in Florida | | | 08-11-2006, 14:06 | | | of a multi! My has sent me a few listings that I will go and look at next week. If possible without starting a flame out fight could I hear from the group as per the years I should look out for. I am looking for a boat built in the 80's and early 90's to keep the cost down. Aparently I have read that some of the older multi's should be avoided, as well a few hints as per resources you may have used to find your last multi. Currently I am using a company called 2hulls.com and my local guy. Christopher | | | 08-11-2006, 14:13 | | Boat: Catalac Catamaran | design inhibits windward performance. On the other hand, they are built as solid as a rock, and are as safe as a boat can be. I might also mention that they don't depreciate all that much. I think you should go as big as your wallet allows. Twin diesels would be nice. Rick in Florida | | | 08-11-2006, 14:37 | | | one, gut it and make it into exactly the type of vessel that would suit my needs. When it comes to going big, I just got rid of the 50 footer and will never down that road again! I definitely want something manageable in the 27-36 foot range and not bigger. 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Log in or Sign upYou are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly. You should upgrade or use an alternative browser . Catamaran vs. TrimaranDiscussion in ' Multihulls ' started by konlow , Nov 16, 2015 . konlow Junior MemberHey guys, I'm new here and new to sailing, but its my dream to build a boat over the next few years. I was hoping someone could point out the key differences between a Cat and a Trimaran. I'm familiar with the differences between a Cat and a monohull, but what is the benefit of the Trimaran? Speed? Stability? Thanks in advance =) catsketcher Senior MemberNot much of you are building Gday To be awfully brutal there is not much going for tri construction in the larger sizes. Farrier does very nice folding tris but if you don't want to fold then building a tri is not a good use of your time. My first two multis were tris and I loved tris dearly - still do. BUT instead of building a 40ft tri that took me two years to design I built a 38ft cat and have never regretted it. The cat is simpler to build, has much more interior room, more divided spaces, a bigger single space (bridgedeck cabin), is better at anchor and better on the hard. Oh and the resale value is much better. There are reasons to build a tri if you want to sail a sweet boat on the lake or ocean or if you want to race. But for cruiser/racing or cruising a cat is much more bang for your buck. That being said there are some awfully nice tris going cheap now. If I didn't have too many cats I would be tempted to get a Searunner or an Impala 38. My friend has an Impala 38. It is slower than our cat and has about 1/4 the room. Still it is a nice boat. cheers Phil gonzo Senior MemberI think the tri has an advantage on interior accommodations in the smaller sizes. For example, a 25' Piver can has two full bunks a galley and head. That wouldn't fit on a cat of the same size. However, at 40 feet, the cats with a cabin on the bridge would probably be cheaper and simpler to build. Thanks for the reply, and for the information! Any advice for someone looking to build a Cat? I'm aiming for something similar to your 38 footer. I'm still very new to sailing altogether, and hoping for it to be my home as a live-aboard. one day, I hope to be confident enough to cross oceans. I'm 6'3" so planning to build a very tall cat instead of just buying one. Which model did you build? Thanks again! Hey Gonzo, Thanks for the reply. I kinda like the looks of that Piver, I will definitely be looking into those a bit more =) sprit Junior MemberThe answer to your question depends primarily on the use intended for your multihull. All the multihulls are stable and can carry ample sails. Their narrow hulls cut through the water without creating a lot of wave resistance, and hence can be faster than monohulls. None have excellent weight capacity. Trimarans can be lighter than cats because they don't have big bridge decks. But their usable space is less. If you want a fun build for a fast cruiser for a few compatible people, consider John Harris's 31-foot cruising proa, Madness. If you are thinking of something trailerable, keep asking questions. Most trailerable multihulls are small cats, and the field is dominated by ultralight day sailing cats made of fiberglass. John Perry Senior MemberI have never been a great reader of sailing books and hardly read from paper at all these days, but I did pick up the book 'Low Resistance Boats' by the late Thomas Firth Jones from our local library then chose to buy it from the library rather than return it since I found it something of an inspiration. I attach a scan of the final few paragraphs from this book. Thomas Firth Jones had extensive experience of both boat building and coastal and ocean sailing in a variety of boats including monohulls, catamarans and trimarans, so he was far better placed than I am to have an opinion on this question. The 'Hummingbird' and the 'Verdelhao' were plywood trimarans that TFJ designed and built himself, a little under 30' LOA. I think the catamaran he refers to is a similar length plywood boat. TFJs comments inspired me to take the trouble to draw in some detail a catamaran for myself to build, there are some computer renderings somewhere in this forum. My design ended up a bit bigger than TFJ's - put that down to mission creep. But the first few sentences in the attached quote held me back taking it further - I built a tiny 15 foot monohul sailing boat nearly 40 years ago and we are still having so much fun sailing it that we dont really need another vessel. Now I am having thoughts about trimarans again, despite TFJs comments. As Catsketcher says, Ian Farrier does very nice folding trimarans, I dont think TFJ was considering that kind of boat in his comparison and the ability to fold to monohull width probably would be an advantage for us. And buying second hand has become much cheaper than building yourself, which was not always so. There are enough of Farrier's trimarans around that they do appear on the second hand market, although they may not be the cheapest boats to buy second hand. I would be interested if those here with multihull experience would comment on TFJs comment about trimarans walking from float to float when at anchor. I have definitely seen a trimaran showing this behaviour when anchored in a tidal stream, it wasn't even a wake that was causing it, but asking a Farrier owner about it he said it wasnt a problem. Attached Files:Extract from Thomas Firth Jones.pdfyeah, I think a Cat is going to be the winner for my purposes. Thanks for attaching that, it answers a lot of questions I had. I'm going to have to pick up that book as well. =) Stumble Senior MemberHonestly I would recommend against trying to build anything this size yourself. Building a 40' catamaran is a massive undertaking, and rarely works out to be cheaper than buying new. Don't get me wrong there are a lot of good reasons to build a boat, but you haven't to express any of them. Buy a good condition used boat and save both a few years of your life and a lot of money. the main reasons I was interested in building were for room aboard. I'm 6'3" and pretty wide. I know most of the time I spend in the cabin will be sitting or laying down, but I'm not looking forward to a kink in my neck. maybe I could deal with it if its really going to save me 800k though =) Secondly, the walk-around area on the outside of most boats seem very, very small, 6-inches? If I built my own boat I would sacrifice cabin space to give me more room to walk around safely on deck. I know cabin space is a premium so most boats favor it and sacrifice the walk-around on deck it seems. lastly, it seems that most of the affordable second-hand cats have either outboards or a single inboard. I definitely wants dual inboards, but only finding them on the most expensive of cats. The only cat that seems to fit the bill for me would be a Catalac. but they were made in very low numbers, most of them located overseas, and too old to finance. I am wide open to suggestions though, I value the advice from you guys that have experience with these Cats. My biggest limitations will be my budget. I don't think I'll be able to get into a 300k Lagoon or anything in that ballpark. also seems viable to piece it together a few thousand dollars a month, but in the end I'm sure it would cost more. I also keep hearing about "all these abandoned boat" everywhere, and hurricane boats, etc., that are just free for the taking? any truth to any of that? I figure anything worth any value would have been salvaged, but figured id ask if anyone had any experience with that as an option of getting into a fixer-upper. Richard Woods Woods DesignsI think you should invest some time and money on chartering a catamaran before going too far I agree with the other comments, trimarans only make sense if they are under 30ft and are trailable. BTW, gonzo, my 22ft Wizard folding catamaran has a double bunk plus four singles. And beats F boats (recent comment - " ... we sailed overnight to Catalina about a month ago. motored over, sailed back (in 4 hrs with 10 kt breeze). beat almost all of the F 24, 27, and 31's including sailing through the lee of an F31 with our reaching jib up! They kept taking us up to windward when we were going to sail over them, so I dove off to leeward and went through. Ha Ha Ha to F boats..." ) I have built/owned/sailed a number of cruising designs. 28, 30,32,34,35, all for my own use. I have also sailed extensively on a 38ft catamaran which my wife and I found it too big for just the two of us. Good for two couples though. So size of boat depends on part on how many you expect to sail with. They sold about 600 Catalacs, you do see them in the USA, there is one next to my boat right now in Houston. And check this site (as well as mine!) http://catamaransite.com/ Yes, there are lots of boats for free, especially in Florida. Usually small old monohulls. But don't get one unless you know what you are doing or it won't be much of a bargain Richard Woods of Woods Designs www.sailingcatamarans.com thanks for the info and links Richard! really appreciate it =) Konlow, Building your own large boat is typically going to cost about the same or more than buying a similar size boat new. There simply isn't that much of a profit margin in boat building where building it yourself saves much. Sure you can do all the labor for free, but it isn't that simple. Figure you can build 5lbs of boat per man hour versus a professional shop that will build 10lbs/man hour. atthe very high end let's assume they are paying their workers $50/hr. If you just get a second job you would have to make less than $25/hr to break even, otherwise it's cheaper to pay a professional. There are also economies of scale at play. Home built or professional will require let's say 8 winches at $1,000 a pop retail. So you are out of pocket $8,000, where a commercial yard has a bulk order contract and are likely paying $5,000 for the set. The same goes for engines, electrical work, instruments, batteries, rigging, sails, it all adds up. Finally, there is the amount of time it takes to build a boat this size. A 40' cat with a dry weight of 15,000lbs is going to take thousands of man hours of labor to build. It a full time job for years, and many/most home builders never complete the job. It is pretty common to see half finished hulls for sale 'free to new owner' just to get them moved. And this after 5-10 years of construction. In my eyes you build a boat because you like to build boats. You buy boats if you want to use boats. you're right, and I know that. but I can still dream, right? =) Floating island - Trimaran or Catamaran?Stability/most-stable - catamaran, trimaran, pentamaran?Tornado catamaran tilt trailers could one be adapted to carry a 14' beam trimaran?Build a catamaran, then convert it to a trimaranCatamaran vs Trimaran beam questionRFQ - 6m catamaran hull shapeMaxsurf Resistance CatamaranExtra Marstrom 32 and f40 catamaran hullsLight weight big open deck catamaranLimits to the beam of a catamaran ratio ?- No, create an account now.
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While a catamaran is still faster than a monohull of identical size, it falls short of the trimaran in terms of sheer speed. Understand that this doesn't make catamarans slow boats; it's just that tris are typically designed with more emphasis on performance. ... Catamarans vs. Trimaran: The Verdict.
So comparing a catamaran and a trimaran of the same weight and length, the key really is the length in the water, ... Average speed circumnavigating the world: Highest speed recorded* Type of boat: Monohull: 74 Days: 12.16 Knots: 36 Knots: Catamaran: 50 Days: 22.2 Knots: N/A: Trimaran: 40 Days
Trimaran vs. Catamaran Speed. In the trimaran vs. catamaran speed debate, the trimaran is the clear winner. For long offshore races, trimarans have become the preferred vessels, and boaters piloting trimarans have won the Jules Verne Trophy in every race held since 2010. This is because of their unique design, which has speed and safety ...
Catamaran Vs Trimaran. Gabriel Hannon. August 30, 2022. As boatbuilders make faster and more luxurious multi-hulls for cruising and racing, it is time to settle the debate: Catamarans vs. Trimarans. Catamarans and trimarans have distinct characteristics regarding comfort, sailing performance, safety, and personal preference.
Speed: Trimarans are known for being faster than cats and single-hull boats. They can easily reach high speeds and are great for racing or long-distance cruising. Stability: Trimarans are more stable than catamarans due to their three hulls. Space: Trimarans are wide, but the interior is less spacious than catamarans.
Cats are more vulnerable to wind, and trimarans are more vulnerable to waves. Trimarans have greater beam than catamarans, making them considerably more resistant to capsize by wind alone, whether gusts or sustained wind. They heel sooner and more than catamaran, giving more warning that they are over powered. Waves are a different matter.
Catamaran sails offer a sense of comfort and stability for extended cruising trips and luxurious living spaces, while trimarans are better on performance, safety - due to the increased width of their hulls - and speed when racing. Ultimately though, it all comes down to personal preference when it comes to choosing between a monohull, a ...
It can reach speeds of up to forty knots, while the Catamaran can only reach about half that speed. Stability - The Trimaran is more stable than the Catamaran. This is because it has three hulls instead of two. This makes it less likely to capsize in rough seas. Space - The Catamaran is bigger than the Trimaran.
Trimaran vs. Catamaran: Racing ©ThMartinez/Sea&Co Catamarans are very fast downwind. Catamarans are recognized for their velocity, and some of them are capable of breaking world sailing records. Catamarans may travel at a pace of 15 to 30 mph, with the best reaching speeds of well over 60 knots.
The connecting structure ranges from a simple frame to a more complex superstructure with cabins or cargo space. Typically, recreational catamarans accommodate between two and 20 passengers. Pros Catamaran vs Trimaran. Catamarans are renowned for their spaciousness, offering ample living quarters ideal for social gatherings and events.
A catamaran is a type of boat that consists of two hulls connected by a frame. It is generally used for recreational purposes and is known for its stability and speed. A trimaran, on the other hand, has three hulls, connected to a central hull. Unlike a catamaran, a trimaran has a narrower beam, which makes it faster than a catamaran.
Trimaran vs Catamaran: The Differences. When comparing trimarans and catamarans, there are several key differences to consider: ... Speed. Trimarans are generally faster than catamarans. They have a streamlined design. Their lighter weight allows them to meet higher speeds, especially when sailing upwind. ...
Catamaran vs Trimaran Performance. ... Pros and Cons of Cruising on a Trimaran. Trimarans are known for their speed! If you love to cruise past all the other boats and get to port first, a trimaran might be calling your name. Traditional trimarans have limited living space on board. Most trimarans have even less living space than similarly ...
A trimaran has a maximum righting moment of 27 degrees of heel, while a catamaran has a 12 degree one. Such a shorter angle can be reached in short seas, if the wind gusts are powerful enough and you haven't reefed. So capsizing a trimaran is extremely hard. Plus, if a trimaran flips over, it is virtually unsinkable, thanks to the three hulls.
There is a lot of commotion in the marine world when it comes to the discussion of trimaran vs catamaran. Both vessels are part of the multihull category. A catamaran is a yacht with two hulls while a trimaran has three hulls. ... Moreover, speed is a big advantage of trimarans and catamarans. Typically, these multihulls are 25-30% faster than ...
Trimaran vs Catamaran. A trimaran is a three hull vessel in contrast to a catamaran which is a two hull vessel. Both the trimaran and the catamaran have strengths and weaknesses that the prospective buyer should understand. Both Catamarans and Trimarans are built from a wide range of materials including fiberglass, steel, aluminum, and wood.
Catamaran vs Trimaran . A catamaran has two hulls, while a trimaran features three hulls. Trimarans offer exceptional stability and speed, making them popular among performance-oriented sailors and racing enthusiasts. Catamaran vs Pontoon Boat . Catamaran boats and pontoon boats may appear similar at first glance, but they have distinct ...
Doing that resulted in a not-terrible boat speed of 5-6 knots and a good pointing angle. Free off by a handful of degrees however, and ease the sails just a smidge, and the speed leapt up to 8-9 knots - over 50% more; a huge increase. So, don't pinch.
Attach one line to each of the forward cleats and bring the loose ends to the center. Pick up the mooring with a boathook. String one line through the eye and bring it back to the same cleat. Repeat on the other side, keeping the lines the same length so the cat is centered.
This trimaran retails for $595,000, making it a cheaper option than the Rapido 60. 5. Dragonfly 40. The Dragonfly 40 measures 40 feet (12 meters) in length. It features high-comfort standards, making it one of the best trimarans in the market for taking your family for a cruise.
As a recent multihull convert, I will put my 2 cents in. From what I have gathered, tri's sail faster, but a bit less flat than a cat. Interior space is far more on a cat with a bridge deck. (Our Piver tri has a 6'6" beam on a 37' main hull) Later model cats are far more available than late model tris.
Catamaran are generally going to have a lot more interior space, as they usually have a nice main salon in the center and the cabins in the pontoons. Trimarans in that size range are still setup like narrow monohulls with floats attached to each side. There might have some storage space, but not part of the cabin. 1.
Catamaran vs. Trimaran. Discussion in 'Multihulls' started by konlow, Nov 16, 2015. Page 1 of 2 1 2 Next > Joined: Nov 2015 Posts: 10 ... I'm familiar with the differences between a Cat and a monohull, but what is the benefit of the Trimaran? Speed? Stability? Thanks in advance =) konlow, Nov 16, 2015 #1. Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,315