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Bronte Shore Yacht Sales

91A Prospect Street   Port Dover Ontario N0A 1N6

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Specializing in the sale and importation of luxury watercraft to boating enthusiasts in Ontario & Quebec since 2002.

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Keith Milner

• Bronte Shore Yacht Sales
• Niagara Falls, ON

2018 Sea Ray 350 $428,900.00 CDN For more information and photos please visit - bronteshore.ca This beautiful 2018 350 SeaRay Sundancer is in outstanding condition with only 120 hours on the smaller of the two engines offered by sea ray - 6.2’s , and 9.5 hours on the generator. Yes it has the smaller engines, but with limited fuel and water onboard , this sea ray still performs like a beauty. Yes, it's virtually new and NO LUXURY TAXES APPLY. This. is an all freshwater boat that is loaded with features and is turn key, ready for its new owners. Don't hesitate, this is an outstanding opportunity to buy a like new SeaRay at a fraction of the price of new. US clients: there are no Canadian taxes or duties applicable when buying a boat in Canada. Make your best deal and take the boat home. We can transport anywhere.

1997 Cruisers Yachts 4270 Esprit Express $195,000.00 CDN Location - Port Elgin, Ontario Canada LOW HOURS with BIG CAT POWER and TENDER make this the ultimate express family yacht or loopers paradise. Pride of ownership clearly shows on this highly desirable Cruisers 4270 Esprit Express Yacht. Classic Cruisers build quality combined with low hours, fresh water use and heated winter storage make this a rare opportunity. Fully serviced by Toromont Caterpillar on a regular basis this vessel was maintained to the highest of standards. It even comes with additional filters, belts, parts and oils for the next scheduled maintenance interval. The Cruisers 4270 Esprit is known for its well appointed spacious design and high cabin ceilings for taller people. Included in the design are well thought out cabinets , closets and storage areas to maximize space in an efficient manner Over the fridge is a new flat screen TV that pulls out of the cabinet and turns to face the salon seating area. The U shaped galley is fitted with a 3 burner Kenyon 120AVC range top. Vitrofrigo 2-way 12V-120 fridge freezer , double stainless sink with tapset and flex hose, Panasonic Microwave oven and Black and Decker built in coffee maker. Two Heads fitted , each with vacuum-flush toilets, sink vanity with tapset , and combined shower (aft head), and separate shower (forward) with scuppers in sole. Forward shower also has a main door and ensuite door to the main stateroom. Express cockpit and helm are roomy and easily accessible including a walk through windshield for added safety and convenience. The rear aft deck area includes ample seating, table, stainless bar sink with running water, ice maker and dometic fridge. The rear aft deck is perfect for entertaining friends, family fun time or just relaxing with a quiet book. Underneath the snap in carpet is the easy access hatch with dual lift cylinders to the engine room. It is light enough and easily lifted by one person. Fitted with the highly desired 3126 Caterpillar Diesel Engines this 4270 Express will cruise effortlessly all day long at 30 mph at just 2300 rpm with a top speed of 40 mph at 2600 rpm when you need it. 2007 Brig hard bottom inflatable tender is fitted with the reliable Mercury 15hp outboard motor and sits on a seaweed , manual davit system that is easy to use. The tender and all related equipment were maintained on a regular basis. Some of the many other features on the Cruisers 4270 Esprit Express. Front Bow area snap in Sun Pad, Magma BBQ, shore power, Kholer generator, onboard battery charger, dual battery isolators, 2 Cruisair reverse air conditioners, Walvac central vac system, Lewmar windless with foot switches an circuit protection, on board engine room fire suppression system, fume detectors, all bumpers ,lines , safety equipment and 8 life jackets. Current survey available.

2010 Azimut 62S Location - Hamilton, Ontario - Canada A rare opportunity to own an Azimut 62 S that is in outstanding condition and has seen many up-grades that make her an exceptional vessel. The boat was subject of an extensive re-fit and is ready for her new owners. There is no duty and no luxury tax payable. This is a fantastic opportunity that shouldn't be missed. US clients: there are no taxes payable in Canada when you buy this boat. Make your best deal and take the boat home. We can transport anywhere. Broker's notes The sellers of this boat are knowledgeable people who know how to care for a boat, understand the benefits of up-grades and employ only highly skilled technicians to complete any work they feel necessary. As a result, the boat stands tall and shows impeccably. There is nothing to do but enjoy the boat. The boat is in amazing condition and spends five months of the year on Lake Ontario. She spends her winters comfortably stored indoors in heated storage where she enjoys the best of care and attention. Up-grades Up-grades include but aren't limited to, new dual 16 inch Raymarine touch screen monitors, new Raymarine auto pilot with handheld station and PA, new Raymarine tri-data, new Raymarine 3D sonar and fish finder, FLIR night vision and four new Raymarine cameras covering the engine room, cockpit, port side and stern. The stereo system has been up-graded to a Fusion system costing over $10,000.00 and NEMA 2000 connected to the Raymarine monitors. All cabins have a sound system. All services are up to date. Accommodations The boat is a statement in luxury. The master suite is incredible, featuring a floating queen berth, a double settee for morning coffee or a full meal. This settee features windows that are just above the waterline making for a memorable view. The master suite head is very large and features a separate shower. There is a makeup table and storage abounds. There are hanging lockers with one featuring a full length mirror, a separate ac/heat system and a separate stereo system. Recessed lighting in the ceiling was completed as an up-grade. The cabin is light and airy with new bedding and cushions The second suite can only be described as another master suite. It's large and features a centreline queen berth that can be easily separated to make two comfortable berths. The bedding and cushions have been tastefully up-graded. There is a large private head with separate shower. The suite features it's own ac/heat and stereo systems. Your guests or family members will love the accommodations this cabin provides; it's elegant and very comfortable. The third cabin is again large and very comfortable. It features two single berths and has it's own head and separate shower. This is a full headroom cabin that is light and airy and has a porthole that provides a great view. Galley The galley is one level down from the salon and features a 13 cubic foot refrigerator cleverly hidden behind a decorative door. There is a five burner stove top, microwave, dual sinks, dishwasher and lots of storage. Salon The salon which includes the helm is opulent, very comfortable and is fitted with large windows to port and starboard providing lots of light and a feeling of warmth and space. The triple sliding glass doors can be hidden away allowing the salon and the cockpit to be one. The feeling of space is incredible; great for entertaining or just having a wonderful day with the family. There is a Large screen TV that, when not in use, lowers into the starboard cabinetry. There is a large ding table and ample seating for all. There are abundant cabinets for storage of glassware and the Azimut cutlery and dishes, There is a huge electrically operated sunroof that with the flip of a switch lets you enjoy the fresh air and sunshine. The helm is located to port in the salon and features all of the modern and up-graded electronics anyone could want. The helm seats are incredibly comfortable and finished in dark brown leather. The captains seat is electrically operated. One lever operates the bow and stern thrusters making this an easy boat to maneuver. Cockpit The cockpit is huge and features teak flooring that the owner keeps in immaculate condition. There is a large built in BBQ, a huge sun pad and ample seating. Two steps down from the cockpit is the huge swim platform which also features teak flooring that looks new. The boat is equipped with an electrically operated passerrel for easy entry and exit when docked stern to as well as a garage for storage of an inflatable if the new owners so choose. Hull The hull has been professionally buffed and is ceramic coated. The shine is incredible and easy to maintain. Engine room The engine room is spotless as is all of the equipment and engines. The seller prides himself on keeping a bristol boat and the engine room and bilges are no exception. Crew accommodations. Aft of the engine room is located the crew quarters which feature a single but comfortable berth. Disclaimer The Company offers the details of this vessel in good faith but cannot guarantee or warrant the accuracy of this information nor warrant the condition of the vessel. A buyer should instruct his agents, or his surveyors, to investigate such details as the buyer desires validated. This vessel is offered subject to prior sale, price change, or withdrawal without notice. Location - Hamilton, Ontario Canada $1,295,000.00 USD www.bronteshore.ca

2010 Sea Ray Sundancer 390. Absolutely Stunning with a brand new camper back canvas - Installed June 17th/2022 by Precision Canvas - With only 624 hours on twin 8.2 Mercruiser DTS Engines, 75 hours on the Generator this 390 is a head turner. Complete buff and wax June 2022, new bottom paint fall 2021, complete tune up on both engines spring 2022, Open HD array Raymarine Radar, Bow thruster, Central Vac, and all new AGM Batteries, high gloss cherry wood interior, flex teak flooring in the cockpit. Frankly, you won't find a cleaner well cared for Sea Ray than this one. May 2022 Survey $359,900.00 CDN Located in Port Dover, Ontario Canada Please call Keith 905-630-0543

Why spend 10 percent on a brokerage , here at Bronte Shore we will come out to your boat, take professional photos, advertise it on all our websites - boatdealers , Yachtworld, and boats.com for only 8 percent. With over 60 years experience in the industry. We also have diacom software as a selling tool. Call us today.

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ConditionUsed TypeFishing ClassWalkarounds MakeHydra-Sports Model2390 Vector Year2000 Length23' 9" Beam8' 10" Draft2' Price$49,900.00 CAD * LocationPort Dover, Ontario Distance0 km from Port Dover, ON EngineEvinrude 300 # of Engines1 HP300.0 DriveOutboard Hours150 Fuel TypeGas Top quality Hydra-Sports 2390 Vector Centre console with a T Top and a low hour 300 HP Evinrude. This rig has been very well cared for and is ready to go fishing tomorrow. The boat includes rod holders, VHF, GPS, live well, recent T Top canvas, helm cover and yes the trailer is included. The boat is winterized and in the process of being shrink wrapped. Winter storage is included. If you're looking for a top quality rig for next season, come see this combination now. Call Keith @ 905-630-0543

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2006 Cruisers Yachts 520 MC - $499,900 CDN This Cruisers 520 Express Has A Great Interior Layout With An Unrivaled Aft Full Beam Master Stateroom. The Salon Is Spacious With A PortSide Full Galley And Large Salon Settee. In The Cockpit You Have Ample Seating And Entertaining Areas And This Boat Will Outrun The Pack With Its 715hp Volvo Package. The Cruisers Yachts 520 Express is perhaps the perfect express cruiser! Designed shortly after the 560 Express, the 520 packs everything you could want into a smaller version. The cockpit can easily seat a dozen of your favorite friends, the cabin is large and roomy with a complete galley and both private staterooms have queen beds with the master being a full beam stateroom. Powered by twin Volvo Penta 715hp Diesel Inboards, performance will never be a concern. Additional Specs, Equipment and Information: Specs Hull Shape: Semi-Displacement Dimensions LOA: 55 ft 0 in Beam: 15 ft 6 in Minimum Draft: 3 ft 8 in Bridge Clearance: 13 ft 1 in Headroom: 6 ft 6 in Dry Weight: 42000 lbs Engine 1: Engine Brand: Volvo Year Built: 2006 Engine Model: 715/D12 Engine/Fuel Type: Diesel Location:Port Engine Hours: 680 Drive Type: V-Drive Engine Power: 715 HP Engine 2: Engine Brand: Volvo Year Built: 2006 Engine Model: 715/D12 Engine/Fuel Type: Diesel Location: Starboard Engine Hours: 680 Drive Type: V-Drive Engine Power: 715 HP Tanks Fresh Water Tanks: (150 Gallons) Fuel Tanks: (500 Gallons) Holding Tanks: (75 Gallons) Accommodations Number of heads: 2 Electronics Compass Cockpit speakers Depthsounder Radio GPS TV set X4 CD player Log-speedometer Plotter Autopilot Radar VHF DVD player Inside Equipment Bow thruster Hot water Refrigerator Microwave oven Air conditioning Dishwasher Heating Stern thruster Electric head X2 Washing machine Battery charger Electric bilge pump Electrical Equipment Generator Shore power inlet Outside Equipment/Extras Cockpit shower Cockpit cushions Cockpit table Swimming ladder Davits Accommodations The Cruisers Yachts 520 Express MC offers accommodation that can only be described as sumptuous. The forward guest cabin is very roomy and features a floating queen bed. There are two large hanging lockers and a separate entrance to the forward head with shower. The cabin features a flat screen TV, indirect lighting and a full door for privacy. The owners suite is huge and luxuriously appointed. There is ample storage in hanging lockers and bureaus, a flat screen TV, indirect lighting and a large head with shower. There is a washer/dryer situated in the suite and conveniently tucked away in a cabinet. The salon is gorgeous and appointed in rich and luxurious woods and stainless steel. The floor is covered in beautiful solid wood flooring that compliments the interior furnishings. The settee is finished in soft and supple ultra leather and the stools are finished in faux ostrich. The companionway to the helm is wide and is also finished in beautiful dark wood tones. Everywhere you turn inside this yacht you are constantly amazed by the quality finishes and the attention to detail. Cruisers has always built quality yachts but this model is a testament to their dedication to produce a superlative yacht. Engines Triple Volvo model 715/D12 diesels provide 715 horse power each for a total of 1430 horse power. These are powerful yet economical engines that have recorded just over 680 hours of use. The engines and the engine compartment are clean. Exterior The boat is finished in white topsides with Blue Hull. The finish shines like that of a new boat. The aft cockpit seat converts to a sun lounge with table. The aft seating is fitted to a track and slides to the port side making a curved seating arrangement that surrounds the ample high gloss wood table. The table folds up for convenience or extends to capably serve a party of 8. The cockpit features a thick modern carpet that compliments the solid surface counter tops and the cockpit upholstery. There is a glendinning cablemaster auto cord feed/recoil system which makes utilizing the 50 amp power cord easy. There is a hot/cold transom shower as well as an electric BBQ. The hard top features a privacy shade and a full sunroof that opens electrically to let the sun in. The captains seat is spacious with a fold up bolster. The bar features a refrigerator and ice maker as well as a sink with fresh water supply. The deck features a large stainless steel claw anchor with lots of chain and rode. There is a windlass that can be operated from the bow or from the helm. Electrical The boat features central air/heat. Four systems allow the owner to individually customize the heating/cooling of every cabin in the boat as well as on deck. The air is ice cold. There is an additional electrical isolator that allows the boat to properly operate on two 30 amp 110 volt power supplies.This is a great system that allows all systems in the boat to be operated when 240 volt power is not available.There is a 14 KW diesel generator. Helm ALL NEW Eletronic's The helm is a Captain's dream, featuring open array digital HD radar, Raymarine GPS with chartplotter, auto pilot, Raymarine VHF and the Volvo engine management screen which affords the captain a full inventory of engine information.It doesn't get any nicer than this. Disclaimer The Company offers the details of this vessel in good faith but cannot guarantee or warrant the accuracy of this information nor warrant the condition of the vessel. A buyer should instruct his agents, or his surveyors, to investigate such details as the buyer desires validated. This vessel is offered subject to prior sale, price change, or withdrawal without notice. Manufacturer Provided Description When designing the 520 our engineers had a problem. The left side of their brains wanted convenient features like an enclosed cockpit, walk-thru windshield and power sunroof. But the right side of their brains wanted luxurious touches like additional portholes below deck, afinely appointed galley and rich cherry wood interior. In the end, they came together and created a singular yacht intended to please the mind, body and soul.

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Best of Moscow by high speed train

By shuguley , February 15, 2014 in Regent Seven Seas Cruises

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Sure would appreciate someone who has taken "Best of Moscow by high speed train" from St. Petersburg could please share their impressions of this shore excursion. From the description this sounds like a very long day.

Wondering how the 4 hour train trip was in terms of accommodations, etc. Also what time did you leave the ship and what time at night did you return? Were both legs of the trip on the high speed rail (I read that slower trains also travel the same tracks)?

My wife and I are considering this excursion. We thought that if we are making all the effort to go to Russia then how could we pass up going to Moscow, walking in Red Square, seeing St. Basil, etc.

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If you are considering this on the 2015 June Baltic cruise on Voyager; my suggestion is don't. There is so much to do in St. Petersburg and although a train is one of my favorite ways to travel the time would be far better spent in St. P.

Thanks for the advice. Yes, this would be on the Voyager during the 2015 season but not yet sure exactly which cruise.

We did the Moscow excursion "on a different luxury line", but from your brief description it sounds very much like the same trip, so I will operate on that assumption. It is a VERY long day! We left the ship at 5:30 AM and returned at 12:30 AM. The highspeed train trip is comfortable, and while they call it "Business Class" it does not compare well to the equivalent class on say Rail Europe. When we did it in 2011, we did have highspeed both ways, and the trip back seemed much longer as the adrenaline and excitement had worn off!:D

Moscow itself is not that terribly different from any other big city in the world, but this Cold War kid never thought he would ever stand in Red Square, never mind walk the grounds of The Kremlin, or tour The Kremlin Palace, or see (but not visit) Lenin's Tomb, or visit The Armoury. But he did, and he loved every minute of it! Yes, it is a long day, and you barely scratch a scratch on the surface, but it is worth it. There is a tremendous amount to see in St. Petersburg, but every Baltic cruise goes to St. Petersburg, so you can go back if you choose to. Not every cruiseline offers you the chance to see Moscow.

I have not personally done this tour, but our last time in St Petersburg, the private guide that we hired for a day was leading the regent tour to Moscow on the high speed train the next day. He said it was way better than the previous alternative, which was flying to Moscow and back. He said that you actually got to Moscow faster because you didn't have to deal with airline checkin etc. it did seem like a very long day to me, and there is so much to see and do in st. Petersburg that I didn't consider doing it.

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We toured to Moscow from St. Petersburg via the hi-speed SAPSAN train last September, from a Baltic cruise on the Oceania Marina. You need to have a two-night, three day port call in St. Petersburg to take this tour because the tour typically leaves the ship around 5:00 - 5:30 AM and doesn't return until after midnight the next day. We didn't take the ship's tour; we made private arrangements with TravelAllRussia for three days of touring, the first and third days in St. Petersburg and the second day the tour to Moscow by train. Our cost for the private tour for three days was about the same as what the ship charged for the excursion to Moscow alone. There are a number of private tour agencies that operate in St. Petersburg and offer the Moscow train tours; we would strongly recommend them over the ship's tours.

All three days had private guides with car and driver. The second day, the driver picked us up at the ship and took us to the train, but we were alone on the train, and met in Moscow by the guide on the station platform. After our tour and dinner, we were brought back to the train and after the return train trip met by the driver and taken back to the ship. Because you are alone on the train you must have your own Russian visas.

If this is your first visit to St. Petersburg, I would agree there is much more to see there. We found Moscow somewhat a disappointment, particularly Red Square. The Kremlin and the cathedral in Red Square were also worth seeing. But the best thing we saw was the Moscow subway! I worked for the Washington Metro system back in the 1980s as it grew from 40 to 80 miles and although I was in the computer area, I learned a lot about the challenges of running a subway system. We used the Moscow system to get across the city from where we had dinner to the train station, and I was amazed at the cleanliness', speed of operation, the short headways maintained, and the courtesy of everyone involved. A very impressive experience!

We had been to St. Petersburg before, and so had the time to take a day and go to Moscow. Also, I really like trains, and the SAPSAN is a German train set running on Russian rails. Seats are like first class domestic air, spacious but not too plush or comfortable, but with enough room. Not too much recline, and almost 8 hours on the train in two shots is a lot for an old man. They come through and sell drinks, candy, etc. but the sellers don't speak English and no one around us helped, so we had just poor coffee once coming, and brought stuff with us for the trip back. Not too much to see from the train either, particularly on the return when it is night the whole way.

If you decide to go, take a private tour and avoid the overly expensive ship's tour. I'm glad we did it, but wouldn't bother to repeat the tour; we've seen Moscow.

Thanks so much to all of you for the thorough and thought insight. Yhe information you have provided is most helpful.

countflorida: Your detailed post is very helpful. We are not quite ready for a Baltic cruise but should do so within a year. Time enough to do our pre travel research, bookings and visa gathering.:) Thank you!

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Sure would appreciate someone who has taken "Best of Moscow by high speed train" from St. Petersburg could please share their impressions of this shore excursion. From the description this sounds like a very long day.   Wondering how the 4 hour train trip was in terms of accommodations, etc. Also what time did you leave the ship and what time at night did you return? Were both legs of the trip on the high speed rail (I read that slower trains also travel the same tracks)?   My wife and I are considering this excursion. We thought that if we are making all the effort to go to Russia then how could we pass up going to Moscow, walking in Red Square, seeing St. Basil, etc.

I did this on Seabourn. IMO DONT. Take Aeroflop (er Aeroflot). The train has non folding seats where you are literally knee to knee with your fellow passenger (facing each other). Further they don't believe in air conditioning. It's also the worlds slowed bullet train. I think I would have found more enjoyment wandering around the St. Petersburg and Moscow airports.

Countflorida,

This is a little off topic,, however we had planned a river cruise in Russia but decided we would rather stay on land and have booked about two weeks with Travel-All-Russia using the private guide and driver. I'm curious as to how you found them as a tour company.

The guides they provided were fine. We had a different guide each of the days in St. Petersburg, but both were flexible, pleasant, knowledgeable and spoke English very well, as did the guide in Moscow, incidentally. She was a bit aloof, distant, not too friendly, but otherwise fine. In fact, she was the one who suggested taking the Metro, which unexpectedly became one of the highlights of the Moscow excursion. If I have a complaint with AllTravelRussia, it is with their plan and its execution (more later).

I had requested emphasis on World War II (in Russia, the Great Patriotic War) sites and info. In scheduling us, they weren't careful about dates and a couple of the sites we wanted to see were scheduled on the third day, after we'd been to Moscow. But both sites were closed that day of the week, and that info was readily available, right on web sites describing them. Also, the included meals (lunches in St. Pete, dinner in Moscow) were not what we asked for: light meals with some choices, so we could avoid things we didn't like and choose things we did like. My request was ignored; we were given full Russian meals with a fixed menu, no choice. On the first day, a fish dish was the entre, but I am allergic to fish. Fortunately, I had the e-mail I'd sent with me and showed it to the guide, and she was able to change my entre to chicken, which was very good actually. But we didn't want a 3-4 course lunches or dinner (in Moscow). We had the guide drop the lunch the third day, although we never got any credit or refund. But, particularly in contrast to the ship's tours, the prices were so reasonable we didn't worry too much about it.

The people who were on the ship's tour to Moscow saw us boarding the same train for which they were forced to queue up and wait on the way back, and asked us what we had done. I was candid and open so they were not happy when I explained what we had arranged and particularly what it had cost. Also, when we returned to the ship, we found they had laid on a late supper for those who had gone to Moscow, so up we went and had something. Well, it turns out the late supper was supposed to be just for those on the ship's tour, but we and others on 'independent' tours, there were a dozen or more of us, crashed the party, actually got there first, and they didn't realize it until the larger group arrived and there weren't enough tables/places set. By that time, the 'independents' had all gotten served and were eating; what could they do?

A couple from the larger group sat down with us and asked us about our tour, and they were the ones I told about our arrangement and its cost. They turned to others who’d been with them and announced the details, loudly enough so the whole room heard, which started a lot of bitching and complaining. I gathered they weren't very happy with the ship's tour to begin with, and this was the straw that broke the camel's back. We finished up and beat it out of there, but overheard later that one of the excursion staff came to check on something and ran into a real mess. I caught a cold on the trip, which forced me to bed the second day following in Tallinn, so by the time we reappeared we heard about the contretemps' but apparently no one recalled who started it, thankfully.

Because of what happened to us, I would probably not use AllTravelRussia if I were to go again, or if I did, I would be sure to get confirmation of every detail of the tour. They do have good reviews generally, and we were certainly helped by their visa department and liked the guides and drivers. Their weakness, I say now with full 20:20 hindsight, is that once the sales person who plans the tour, sells it to you and collects your money, he (or she) transfers the plan to their Russia office for implementation; there is no follow-up to make sure it gets done right. And that is where our problems arose; we paid for a custom tour but got a standard package with a few destinations switched, and no one checked them out, even to see when they were open the day we were scheduled to go. If you check every detail that’s important to you, it should be OK, but that’s a hell of a way to have to do business, in my opinion.

Thank you for the 20/20 hindsight observation on your Russian tour operator, and better priced than the ship's excursion cost.

Thanks very much for the feedback.

We had the same experience as you so far as price. We originally booked a Viking Cruise but, hearing some things about the river cruises that made us unhappy, looked into other options. T-A-R cost the same or less than a cruise and had us in hotels for 11 days. We opted for the private tour. They have three tour levels, based on hotels. We originally opted for the four star as it did not cost much more than the three star hotels. Finally we decided to throw it all in and upgraded to five star. In Moscow we will be at the newly opened Kempinsky which is two blocks from Red Square. In St. Petersburg it is the Grand Hotel Europe, one of the most vaunted luxury hotels in Russia. Location is important for us as the tours use up only part of the day so being in the center of everything for our independent touring is important. As with many other cities, the less you pay, the farther out of the center of town you are.

We have been working with our salesman in D.C. and he seems to get back to us with the changes we want. He recently returned from Russia so is up on everything. When I asked they said they paid the full TA commission if I wanted so I got my usual TA on board so he is watching our back and giving us that extra level of comfort. He also set up our air, which I know pays him little or nothing, and got us business class for much less than T-A-R wanted for economy, though it took working for a while with a consolidator. He's happy to get his 10 percent on this trip without having booked it. He also took care of the trip insurance. We've been doing a lot of research on the CC sister site Trip Advisor and will write a report there. We will, I guess, become a source of info for CC members after having spent 5 days in Moscow and 6 in SP.

• 4 months later...

scubacruiserx2

Anybody considering a day trip to Moscow from St. Petersburg on the Sapsan may want to look at our travelogue filled with pictures.

http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=1927687

Very informative. Thanks dor sharing. Jeff

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