The Baba Saga Part Three, the final installment
The Baba/Panda/Tashiba saga continues
I'll do my best to make my recollections accurate but I can't guarantee they will be spot on. I'll just make stuff up when I get stuck. It's the precise sequence of events that gets a bit hazy for me. Not sure it's critical and maybe Bob Berg will help me sort it out.
A word on some of the images:
Some of the drawings will be very hard to read. The lines plans were drawn pencil on 4 mi, double mat mylar. Some of the lines are on one side of the mylar and some of the lines are on the other side. That's how lines are drawn so you don't keep erasing your "grid" while you correct the hull lines. I used as 9H pencil for my grid and a 6H pencil for the lines. A 9H pencil is like drawing with a nail! A 6H pencil is not much better. But I need these very hard pencil leads to get the sharpest and thinnest line I can get for accuracy. I could have gone sloppy and used 4H pencils but I would not have been fooled and I would have just made more work for the loftsman. But,,,you would have had nicer images o look at here. The ability to draw an accurate set of hull lines is the mark of a true craftsman. Each set of lines takes up to a week to finish. Many thanks to Donn and Kerry Christiansen for the photos of BRIGADOON. And, thanks for letting me drive in the race.
The Baba 30 was rolling along. Bob Berg was working with Flying Dutchmen and selling Baba 30's. Then I was asked to design a bigger Baba, a 35'er. I jumped at this I jump at all new design commissions) because I saw it as a way of correcting some of the errors I had made on the Tayana 37. Despite the fact that we always called this design the "Baba 35" in my office the brokerage, Flying Dutchman, decided to market the boat as the Flying Dutchman 35. This was a bit confusing to everyone but I think some friction was building at the brokerage that I was not privy to. Maybe Bob Berg will chime in and give us some insight here. But Bob's the type who never, ever says anything bad about anyone, like me, so I doubt we'll hear from him on this. There was one guy at Flying Dutchman who drove me nuts. I'll call him Norm. When I disagreed with Norm his response was just to repeat what e had said butt slower and louder. Kind of like, "Maybe you didn't understand the first time." It was very annoying. But we built the boat at Ta Shing with Ta Shing's usual top quality work.
I look at this nice photo of TARA the Baba 30 and I think to myself, "Bob, you old, toplofty fart, you did some pretty nice boats."
I love the deck on this boat. The side decks are broad and there is a lot of shape to the cabin trunk. It's a very harmonious look. The hull shape was a derivative of what I had done on the Tayana 37. When the first boat came in it was floating a bit stern high and light! Light? From Taiwan? This was a first. I added some trim ballast aft of the internal ballast slug in the keel. This kept the VCG low. Then I redesigned the ballast slug to add some additional iron and move the LCG aft a wee bit to correct the trim.
The boat looked great but I wasn't wild about the way it sailed. Essentially it sailed just like the Tayana 37. That wasn't a bad thing but I did not feel I had advanced the performance of the type with the 35. I had sort of gone sideways. That kept me from warming up the the 35.
But then along came Donn and Kerry Christiansen with their pilot house 35. Donn and Kerry were looking for a boat they could live aboard and eventually do some offshore cruising. They settled on a pilot house Flying Dutchman 35. It was in "fair" shape when they bought it. But Donn and Kerry are both very resourceful so with a lot of energy, a lot of great ideas and some money thrown in for good luck they have restored BRIGADOON to the great shape she is today. They love their boat. Donn is a musician so we hit it off right away. Donn has a strong Irish tenor voice. I have a weak Ballard Baritone voice. But I can belt it out,,,when I'm drunk. In fact while they live aboard I am storing his father's guitar in my office. But I was a bit surprised when Donn suggested that they might sign up for the Race Your House regatta. This is a race for live aboards only. I thought it was a fun idea so in a moment of weakness I told Donn I'd be happy to crew for him in the race. Many weeks went by and then I got an email to the effect, "See you at the gas dock 9am Saturday." WTF? I tried to think of ways to get out of it but I didn't come up with one so off to Shilshole I went Saturday morning. I was met on the dock by Donn and my Australian buddy James Judd aka Juddy aka Trickypig. Donn had bumped into James the night before on the dock and James had volunteered to race with us. Now this was really good news. Juddy is a world class racer and on top of that a fellow Australian and fine fellow to have fun with. Off we went to race Donn and Kerry's house. This was serious.
The fleet was mixed to say the least. The biggest boats were up near 50' and the smallest around 27'. All types were represented. The only qualifier being that you had to be a full time live aboard. We had a good 10 knots of breeze at the start. I drove, Juddy called the start tactics. Donn trimmed. Kerry sat below in the pilot house muttering things like, "Why did I ever agree to this?" Donn is not a racer but he is competitive and he quickly got into the mood and his crew work was fast and efficient. He clearly enjoyed the close competition.
Here we were on the first weather leg, pilot house, full keel, double ender, dingy in davits and full cruise gear, charging up the course. We did have one real advantage in that we had brand new Carol Hasse sails. At first the other boats, many with fin keels, looked over at us, waved and smiled. But we drove the boat hard and Juddy made good tactical calls. Kerry by now had totally gotten into navigating us to the marks and was having a good time. By the last leg, a beat in about 15 knots true, rail down, we were well ahead of almost everyone in our class and nipping at the heels of much bigger boats and even passing some. We weren't getting the friendly waves anymore. Now it was more like, "What the hell are you doing up here?" We were second in our class to finish and second on corrected time. To us it really felt like victory. I was very proud of my design. We showed many boats what a full keel boat can do, with a dinghy in the davits! My appreciation for my design soared. It was one of the most enjoyable races I have ever raced. Everyone had a thoroughly great time. We did kick some ass. Kind of makes you wonder how fast an equally equipped non pilot house version sans dinghy would have been.
Heres a pic of lovely Kerry fixing Donn some nutricious smashed tofu. They do eat like that. Sort of.
Bob soon came to me with the commission for the Baba 40. It was 1979. I knew I didn't want to use the same basic hull form that I used for the FD35 and the Tayana 37. I knew I needed some new inspiration. I pulled out the lines to the Valiant 40 and studied them. I'm not the type to just copy one of my own hulls but I was looking for something that made the performance of the V-40 so good. I finally decided to abandon the round, arclike mid sections I had used on the FD35 and go with a harder turn to the bilge and more distinct deadrise for the new Baba 40. I also flattened the hull rocker. It worked. The Baba 40 is one of my all time favorite designs. It is superbly well balanced and goes upwind in a breeze like a freight train. Example: I was looking out the front window of my Ballard house one Sunday afternoon. The wind was blowing maybe 20 TWS. Beating down the sound I saw this boat. It was too far away to recognize so I got my binoculars. This boat was really chewing up the Sound. Ha! It was a Baba 40. I have often thought that the layout on the Baba 40 was one of the very best I have ever drawn. That's probably due to Bob Berg's influences.
My friend Tim Morganroth owned a Baba 30 and loved it. He came into the office one day and said he was thinking about buying a Baba 40. Tim is about ten years younger than I am. I told him that the Baba 40 was "an old man's boat" and he was too young for it. He didn't care. I suggested then that we soup the boat up a bit with a taller rig. The original rig was on the short side and the boat was no light air flyer. My suggestion was to add 6' to the "I" and go with double spreaders. I also suggested a dolphin striker so he could get good headstay tension. Tim said OK. AIRLOOM is dark green and a very attractive looking boat. It has the original narrow cabin trunk. Tim started racing the boat. His competitors called it the "Furniture 40". Fine, go ahead and laugh. Quickly Tim was winning races, lots of races. Including:
In Tim's words:
My trophy case is seriously packed with hardware acquired over the years, but some of my sweeter victories include a couple of firsts in Foul Weather bluff. As far as first in class finishes go, I show a few Swiftsures (Flattery course), Oregon Offshore, and tons of Puget Sound kinda stuff. Our big adventure in '92 to Hawaii (Pac cup) netted a 4th in class, but like I said, it was a big adventure.
This is a great fanny shot of AIRLOOM. I am pretty sure That Tim really likes his boat.
I have raced with Tim and he keeps a happy ship and his results are impressive. I feel very fortunate that I have someone like Tim out there racing one of my boats so effectively.
We also designed a pilot hose version of the Baba 40. This is one of the very best interior layouts I have ever drawn. But unfortunately I can't take credit. It was Bob Berg directing my pencil in every detail. This layout has two full sized stateroom both with double berths. The salon or pilot house, with it's raised dinette and sunken galley (my idea) works extremely well. I used a neat trick on the deck to get a wide pilot house. I just bumped the house sides out abruptly where the pilot house starts. It was done with some art so the final result is a very good looking motor sailer. The cockpit and treatment of the aft end of the house I worth some study. This was well done by one of my draftsmen at the time Gary Grant. Gary was a great, artistic designer with a very god eye for details.
We eventually were asked to do a ketch rig for the Baba 40. I have no problem with ketches. I'm not keen on the added clutter in the cockpit and the mizzen shrouds can be a nuisance. But several ketches were built. My pal Jeff has one and just finished rounding Cape Horn in his. He's convinced this is a great boat.
In about 1985 B.K. Kuo, manager at Ta Shing and great guy came to me and asked about updating the Tashiba line. They would keep the 40 as is but they wanted a new boat to replace the Baba30 and another new boat to replace the Flying Dutchman 35. I was hot to do this and agreed to start right away on the two new models. The only unusual stipulation was that B.K. wanted to come to Seattle and be in the office everyday while the new designs were being produced. Paul Fredrickson aka "cleat" was my design associate at the time and big Paul was a great guy so I thought this could work. But where would B.K. Stay while in Seattle. I got it. My house! I had room. My kids were so excited that a Taiwanese man was coming to stay with us. It went very smoothly. B.K. even got up at 5am with me every morning to go to the gym for a workout and a swim. He was a gamer. He even ate my cooking without complaint.
Here is a shot of staff at the time the Tashiba's were designed. I'm on the left, B.K. is obviously the Asian guy, Cleat aka Paul Fredrickson is in the back and Caroline my secretary is on the right. You can easily date this photo by the IBM Selectric typewriter you see peaking out of the right side of the pic.
I now had the very successful Baba 40 behind me so there was no doubt as to the direction for the hull shapes of the new 31 and 36. I would once again use the firm bilge, deadrise sectional shape combined with flatter buttock and rocker. I pulled the leading edge of the keel as far aft as possible could. Paul and I worked hard on these two boats. Paul drew the lines for the 36 and I drew the lines for the 31. In all my years in the office Paul was the only help I trusted drawing hull lines for a "Perry design". Paul did lines for the CT56 and Passport 37 also. I would draw a quick preliminary set of lines and Paul would produce the working set of lines. B.K. cracked the whip and Paul and I produced two good designs. Effort was made during the design to try and keep the build cost down by simplifying some of the details. When Bob Berg drove the project labor cost was never an issue and Bob's boats were quite complex in their detailing., The B.K. driven boats would be simpler, cleaner and far more to my taste.
I think with these last two additions o the Tashiba line I proved that "full keel" boats do not have to be slow. Both the 31 and the 36 are even better boats than is the 40. They are deceptively quick and beautifully balanced. For fun we did a pilot house version of each boats but few were sold. I think the Pilot house Tashiba 36 is the very best looking pilot house boat you can find at 36', anywhere, by anyone. Of course in aesthetics it is closely followed by Donn and Kerry's beautiful BRIGADOON. The tricks we learned on the 35 and 40 pilot house models were used on the 31 and 36 PH models. Both of these are hard to find models, I think they built only two of the 31 PH models. Of course, like almost all full keel boats with the prop in an aperture they don't back up with any style and grace at all. But in time you can learn to muscle them around in reverse. Or, install a bow thruster.
I'll post this blog as is. Over the next few days I'll think of new things that I had forgotten and I endeavor to add them to the blog as time goes. I hope you have enjoyed reading my personal recollection of the Baba story. It may not be totally accurate but it is the way I remember it happening.
Via con Dios.
A follow up note on part three from Bob Berg:
Just got this email from Bob Berg akak Baba. I'll post it here in it's entirety. Bob fills in a lot of the details.
Read Bob's email slowly. There is a lot of humor in it. Bob is so softly spoken and gentle he would stand next to me while I launched into an emotional tirade and at the end Bob wuld say something like, "That's one way of putting it" and smile. It's really great to have honest friends like Bob.
Like always, you have done another great job of describing the evolution of the Baba-Panda-Tashiba saga.
Some things that come to mind:
People ask me how you can tell the difference between the boats when you see them out sailing. It's easy; the 30 has four ports in the side of the house, the 35 has five and the 40 has six.
You say that the Baba 35 gave you "a way of correcting some of the errors that you made on the Tayana 37". Jezz...since I had the first CT-37 (as it was called in the early days) to ever hit the water, I always thought that my boat was perfect and "error-free" and that you were God. It's almost like saying that there really is no Santa Claus!
Yes, there was some friction brewing at Flying Dutchman at that time we started the Baba 35 ( what do you expect when you have three equal partners ), but that is a completely separate story that shall remain unwritten. You mention a guy called "Norm" at Flying Dutchman. I checked in my computer, but I found that someone had hit "Ctrl-Alt-Delete" and that name is no longer in my vocabulary...sorry that I can't be of more help on that subject.
You are talking about the Baba-35, but you show a picture of the Baba-30 (remember four ports in the house side). You mention that the 35 was a bit stern high. I had forgotten all about it. I do remember we had the same problem with the first Tashiba-36. I still remember handing down lead trim ballast to you as stood in the bilge of the boat! I always thought that the 35 was a bit tender...perhaps we were still using wood spars on the first of these boats.
I developed the Baba 40 for the Ta Shing yard and not Flying Dutchman. FD owned the design and tooling for the 30 and the 35, but the Ta Shing yard paid for the design and tooling for the 40 thus it was their project. Of all of the boats that I was involved with, the Baba30, Tashiba 31, Panda 40 and Pilot House 40 all had special meaning to me. They all seemed to fit like a well-made suit. The reasons behind the name changes made to the 40 would be a completely separate chapter that also shall remain un-written. My recollection of the new tooling for the second deck for the 40 is that the yard did this at the time the new Tashiba 31 and 36 designs came out. You made some very good improvements to both the front of the house and cockpit designs for these boats and the yard wanted the 40 to also follow these improvements so their "family of boats" looked the same. I disagree with some of the small changes that the yard made to the boats in order to make them simpler and cheaper to build like reducing the size of the ports to save a few bucks...but it's their project, not mine...so I just paid them a bit extra money to put back in the larger ports when I would order a boat!
You may want to correct the date when BK came to Seattle if you haven't caught it yet. By the way, whatever happened to Paul Fredrickson and where is he now?
Best regards,
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Tashiba 36 is a 35 ′ 11 ″ / 11 m monohull sailboat designed by Robert Perry and built by Ta Shing Yacht Building Ltd. starting in 1986.
Rig and Sails
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The theoretical maximum speed that a displacement hull can move efficiently through the water is determined by it's waterline length and displacement. It may be unable to reach this speed if the boat is underpowered or heavily loaded, though it may exceed this speed given enough power. Read more.
Classic hull speed formula:
Hull Speed = 1.34 x √LWL
Max Speed/Length ratio = 8.26 ÷ Displacement/Length ratio .311 Hull Speed = Max Speed/Length ratio x √LWL
Sail Area / Displacement Ratio
A measure of the power of the sails relative to the weight of the boat. The higher the number, the higher the performance, but the harder the boat will be to handle. This ratio is a "non-dimensional" value that facilitates comparisons between boats of different types and sizes. Read more.
SA/D = SA ÷ (D ÷ 64) 2/3
- SA : Sail area in square feet, derived by adding the mainsail area to 100% of the foretriangle area (the lateral area above the deck between the mast and the forestay).
- D : Displacement in pounds.
Ballast / Displacement Ratio
A measure of the stability of a boat's hull that suggests how well a monohull will stand up to its sails. The ballast displacement ratio indicates how much of the weight of a boat is placed for maximum stability against capsizing and is an indicator of stiffness and resistance to capsize.
Ballast / Displacement * 100
Displacement / Length Ratio
A measure of the weight of the boat relative to it's length at the waterline. The higher a boat’s D/L ratio, the more easily it will carry a load and the more comfortable its motion will be. The lower a boat's ratio is, the less power it takes to drive the boat to its nominal hull speed or beyond. Read more.
D/L = (D ÷ 2240) ÷ (0.01 x LWL)³
- D: Displacement of the boat in pounds.
- LWL: Waterline length in feet
Comfort Ratio
This ratio assess how quickly and abruptly a boat’s hull reacts to waves in a significant seaway, these being the elements of a boat’s motion most likely to cause seasickness. Read more.
Comfort ratio = D ÷ (.65 x (.7 LWL + .3 LOA) x Beam 1.33 )
- D: Displacement of the boat in pounds
- LOA: Length overall in feet
- Beam: Width of boat at the widest point in feet
Capsize Screening Formula
This formula attempts to indicate whether a given boat might be too wide and light to readily right itself after being overturned in extreme conditions. Read more.
CSV = Beam ÷ ³√(D / 64)
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Introduced in 1986, the Tashiba 36 along with its smaller sibling the Tashiba 31 are the last of the full keel double-enders by designer Bob Perry ; he considers them his best. The boat shares many of the innovations Perry made with his Baba 40 design and evolves them further to produce a boat with traits all sailors love. They are fast, close-winded, stiff, and well balanced.
The boats were built by Ta Shing, the best of the Taiwanese boatbuilders and recognized as one of the best quality yards worldwide. Some have described the interior of the boat as a piece of fine furniture.
The Tashiba 36 heritage is intertwined with the Baba line of boats. It’s said the name “Tashiba” is probably a play of words, bringing together the name “Ta Shing” with “Baba”. These boats were the brainchild of developer Bob Berg who brought together Perry and discovered the boatyard that was to become the best in Taiwan. The three boat line-up of the Baba 30 , 35 , and 40 became a hit.
The last of these boats, the Baba 40, eventually got renamed to the Tashiba 40 when Ta Shing took over the marketing and decided to forge ahead with their own line of yachts. Two smaller boats were required to fill out the new Tashiba line.
Having designed the entire Baba line of boats, Perry was the natural choice for the two new boats that became the Tashiba 36 and the Tashiba 31 . They were designed together in California with Ta Shing’s Taiwanese representative working closely with Perry.
The Baba/Tashiba 40 having been derived off the lines of the legendary Valiant 40 performance cruiser showed such a marked improvement from Perry’s earlier full keel designs he decided to evolve the design further. Perry writes, “The turn to the bilges got even more firm for increased stability. The bows were finer”. The resulting design produced a boat that sailed incredibly well; fast and close winded enough to challenge many fin keel designs.
Construction
The boat’s hull is of hand-laminated fiberglass. The outer layers employ water and hence osmosis resisting vinylester resin. The interior of the boat is optionally lined with polyurethane insulation. Ballast is a single iron casting encapsulated in fiberglass.
The deck is in GRP and cored with end-grain balsa. In areas where through-deck fittings are bolted, marine-plywood is used as coring and stainless steel backing plates are used.
The boat was offered in a pilothouse version as well and the standard rear cockpit model. Rear cockpit models have a large stateroom forward and a quarterberth aft whereas the pilothouse has two large staterooms, one forward and the other amidship. The pilothouse has an inside steering station as well as the pedestal steering from the cockpit. Both versions feature a pressurized hot water system with a shower in the head area.
Buyers Notes
As with many of the Baba/Panda/Tashiba boats built by Ta Shing, the Tashiba 36 has black iron fuel tanks which have proven susceptible to corrosion, these tanks have been replaced in many boat but it’s worth checking out. Prices for the Tashiba 36 has remained quite high and generally not many come up on the used market. As of 2010, the asking price is in the range of: $130k-$160k USD
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Builder Tashing (Taiwan)
Designer Robert Perry
Specifications *
- Length : 35 ft. 11 in. / 10.95 m
- Beam : 11 ft. 9 in. / 3.58 m
- Draft : 5 ft. 6 in. / 1.68 m
- Displacement : 21,820 lbs. / 9,920 kg
Bluewater Sailboat – Tashiba 36The Bluewater Sailboat Tashiba 36, along with its smaller twin, the Tashiba 31, are the last of designer Bob Perry’s full keel double-enders; he considers them his best. Many of the innovations Perry achieved with his Baba 40 design are carried over into this boat, which has characteristics that many sailors appreciate. They’re quick, close-winded, rigid, and balanced. Ta Shing, the top Taiwanese boatbuilder and one of the best quality yards in the world, built the boats. The interior of the yacht has been regarded as “excellent furniture” by some. 
The Tashiba 36’s history is connected with the Baba boat line. According to legend, the name “Tashiba” is a play on words that combines the names “Ta Shing” and “Baba.” These boats were created by developer Bob Berg, who gathered together Perry and discovered the boatyard that would become Taiwan’s best. The three-boat lineup of the Baba 30, 35, and 40 proved popular. When Ta Shing took over marketing and decided to launch their own brand of yachts, the last of these boats, the Baba 40, was renamed the Tashiba 40. To complete the new Tashiba line, two smaller boats were required. Perry was the ideal choice for the two new boats that became the Tashiba 36 and Tashiba 31 after designing the complete Baba range of boats. They were created in California in collaboration with Perry and Ta Shing’s Taiwanese representative. The Baba/Tashiba 40, based on the iconic Valiant 40 performance cruiser, was such a significant advance over Perry’s earlier full-keel designs that he chose to further evolve the design. For added stability, the turn to the bilges became even harder. The bows were more refined. The end result was a Bluewater boat that sailed incredibly well; fast and close enough to challenge many fin keel designs. The hull of the boat is made of hand-laminated fiberglass. The exterior layers are made of water- and thus osmosis-resistant vinylester resin. The interior of the boat can be coated with polyurethane insulation if desired. Ballast consists of a single iron casting encased in fibreglass. The deck is made of GRP and has an end-grain balsa core. Marine-plywood coring and stainless steel backing plates are utilized in regions where through-deck fittings are fastened. The boat was also available with a pilothouse and a regular rear cockpit. Rear cockpit types offer a spacious front stateroom and a quarter berth aft, whereas pilothouse models have two large bedrooms, one ahead and one amidship. In addition to the pedestal steering from the cockpit, the pilothouse incorporates an inside steering station. Both models come with a pressurized hot water system and a shower in the head area. Quick NotesThe Tashiba 36, like many of Ta Shing’s Baba/Panda/Tashiba boats, features black iron fuel tanks that have proven subject to corrosion. These tanks have been changed in many boats, but it’s worth checking. Prices for the Tashiba 36 have remained relatively high, and there aren’t many on the used market. Now you can also precisely calculate the expenses related to boat ownership to make smart choices based on your budget and sailing needs. Use this bluewater Sailboat Calculator to explore different options and make the best decision. If you’re looking for a used sailboat for sale, check out the Bluewater sailboat data and specs to make an informed decision. Ocean Wave Sail has data for over 10000+ boats that can help you select one to meet your sailing needs. Subscribe to our newsletterDon’t miss new updates on your email.  © OceanWave Sail. All Rights Reserved 2022 Terms & Conditions – Privacy Policy – Cookie Policy About Us – Privacy Policy
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Baba 35 vs Tayana 37 vs Hans Christian 38
Those prices seem aggressive to me. Stateside they seem cheaper. I like that class of boat . I Own a Union Polaris 36 and still like it, now 20 years on. I'd like to have looked at the Hans Christian details, but there is no way I will log on to a foreign website just to see it. I would avoid a ship with a pilot house like that though. I would be wary of it tolerating a big wave impact. They are not slow ships if the wind is blowing. In light airs they are not fast, but if the wind is right there is nothing slow about them. Be wary of teak decks though. They leak. I have been living with deck leaks for 20 years. Also check the tanks too. Tiawanese ships had a dreadful reputation for poor tankage and i speak from bitter personal experience. What about welding stainless steel tanks with steel welding rods? Sound silly to you? Not in Tioawan. It would have been unreal to me, until I saw it with my own eyes on my own ship. A catastrophic error and unbelievably difficult to recover from that one. Be careful. Fill the tanks to the brim and watch the bilge for days until you are sure they are not leaking. If they leak at all, run! Thanks for the reply. You right about the price, but i do not have the option to shop in North America where the prices are good. The Tayana has sold so I am now down to comparing the Baba35 and the Hans Christian 38T. A quick comparison on Yachtworld shows these vessels are not the cheapest ones for sale but also not the most expensive. Seems to priced about right. The Average Hans Christian 38T is priced 80-130 and the average is about 120,000. Of the Baba 35's on the Market the average price is 90,000. The one I am looking at seems to have a fair amount of equipment. The Baba 35 sounds like it has new stainless tanks (15 gallon baffled professionally produced stainless steel fuel tank with large inspection port. 80 gallons fresh water in two baffled stainless steel tanks with large inspection ports.) The Hans Christian 38T is 3 feet longer than the Baba 35 so I guess I would be getting a little more boat for the money.... Any more advice or input welcome. I own a Tayana 37, so take this with a grain of salt. The Baba is probably a better constructed boat, but she's also heavier for her size. Same goes for the HC, I believe. Realize the T37 is out of the picture now, but I would say she's the best sailor of the three (and caveat: I have not actually sailed on the Baba). For build quality, I would have gone for the Baba, but she has the lowest SA/D of the three, therefore probably not the best sailor. The Tayana 37 is well built, but there are some issues that you should be aware of -- moot point now that she's out of the running. Between your two choices, if the $20K is not an issue, I'd go with the HC though.  If you can get your hand on a Tashiba 36 you probably beat the sailing properties of the Tayana 37, and have the superior build quality. Only problem is they are very difficult to get hold off them as only so few were produced.  Sail Calculator Pro v3.53 - 2500+ boats This website has a good comparison chart. Just scroll down and choose the two boats you want to compare. I think the Hans Christian would be the better sailor, although I'm not sure if the staysail is used in the SA/D calculation, so the numbers can be deceiving. They are both great boats, if you find a few to look at it may come down to their condition. Find one that's the best outfitted for what you want and has the newer sails, rigging and tank upgrades. I'm jealous, I wish it were a decision I had to make ;-)  I haven't sailed any of those, so I'll refrain from giving my aesthetically-based opinion. But I do hope to someday be presented with such an appealing dilema as deciding between a Baba 35, HC38t and a Tayana 37! I have just been comparing the HC38 and T37 myself. With both companies still in business you really can't go wrong either way for resale value. When you look at numbers built HC38 167 (including 30 Telstar Keel versions), T37 588 Baba 35 75. Around 1983 the T37 comes in MKII version with an aft stateroom instead of a quarter berth. Also at some point Ta Yang relocated forward in the fore peak the fuel tank, a full tank weighing 700 pounds so far forward resulted in trim problems and hobby-horsing. The variations on the HC38 are as mysterious as the sea itself. Baba35 variations have interior layout options in key areas. In the forepeak was either a v-berth or a double, while in the saloon there were either straight settees with a drop-leaf table or a L-shaped settee on one side wrapping around the table. Further aft to starboard the option was either a sea-going quarter berth or a generously sized hanging locker. The mild steel fuel tanks have proven susceptible to corrosion mounted in the bilge. HC38 Theoretical hull speed: 7.7 knots, T37 Theoretical hull speed: 7.46 knots, Baba35 Theoretical hull speed: 7.3 knots  All three are 'leaky teakies' and are overpriced IMHO. All three are getting to that age where deck replacement and tank replacements are due both are really expensive jobs. I would have liked the HC the most I think. Disregard TQA's stupid generality. The Baba 35, aka Flying Dutchman 35, is by far the better built boat of the three. It sails about the same as the Tayana 37. But it's shorter so off the wind the TY 37 may be a hair faster. Not sure about the HC. Not too keen on some of their construction details though. I can't speak to how the HC sails but obviosly I have more faith in my own designs. The hull forms of the Baba 35 and the TY 37 are very similar. I would say from a value perspective the Baba 35 is the best boat on your list. Sorry Bob for criticizing your baby but the facts speak. The Baba 35s have a history of problems with the mild steel fuel tanks and replacement is not easy. I believe they have teak decks laid on a balsa cored fibre glass deck. As the last Baba 35 was built in 1986 [ I think ] that deck will be at least 27 years old. OK maybe the owners have been really carefull with the deck upkeep but not all do. Correct me if I am wrong but is the deck teak overlay not screwed down onto the fibreglass deck? So we have how many holes leading into the core? I looked long and hard at a lot of boats from that era when I was on the hunt for my forever boat. I listened to a lot of cruisers with boats from that era and the problems they had encountered. Over and over again I heard about leaking teak decks and the costs of repair. Also the nightmare of trying to replace fuel and water tanks that were installed before the deck went on. The OP asked about resale value. Try and sell a boat with a leaking diesel tank, a wornout teak deck on a soggy deck core and evidence down below of water leaks. There is an HC for sale just now in the PNW at a reduced price. Why is the price reduced who knows? Might just be related to the [ admitted ] soggy deck core. BTW I have been lucky enough to have been inside both a Baba 35 and a HC 38.I just liked the extra space in the HC but I am 6'3".  I know this does not answer your question, but you might want to add the Rafiki-37 to your potential list. They tend to list slightly lower than the others on your list, but in my unbiased opinion, fit well within your group.  Join the Tayana Owners Group ( TOG) a goggle group organization. Many of the the T37's sell from private parties. The listed price you quote is way to high. TOG will help you identify all the issues with this boat. I've owned hull number for 60 18 years. A boat for a lifetime.... TQA: You have your facts but I don't think they are "universal" they are just your "facts". Kind of like your "leaky Teak" comment. I have a fact too. My pal Donn has a beautiful PH Baba 35 with no deck problems at all. He bought this boat two years ago in reasonable condition. It's a great boat. He now has it in tip top shape. Been through all the so called problems on my T37. Easily solved by a bit of elbow grease and a few bucks. We took off the last of the teak deck on the coach roof in January/February while at anchor in Thailand. Sure lots of small holes to fill, core in excellent shape as I had kept up with the deck seems and plugs. Same with the Black Iron tank, cut that sucker out with a sawzall in New Zealand. New tanks in bilge and under port and starboard settee's, better weight distribution etc. Any of these boats are going to require some work. Better the devil you know then.... Suggest you pay a little more for a well cared boat. If you don't love working on boats then something with a little less teak and a lot more plastic may suit you better. Correct me if I am wrong but is the deck teak overlay not screwed down onto the fibreglass deck? So we have how many holes leading into the core? Actually, I was surprised how few screws had penetrated the core. A screw guide must have been used when applying the teak decks. Uniform penetration of the screws into the fiberglass was the norm. I drilled out every hole and filled with epoxy.  had a t37 and loved it. stainless not the best but very solid ride. ?Have you thought of adding a cape George to your list.  As folks dig up and comment on a one yr old thread, as if the op is still looking? who know, they maybe.......... at the end of the day, if the boat floats your view points, buy it! I'd rather have an islander 28 than a baba, tayana, hc style boat!  Good choice! Some random pictures so far... I uploaded a few pictures here. Hope to add me and write some words soon. She needs a tidy up and a scrub, but overall is very sound. The Adventures of Noorderzon or - The Adventures of Noorderzon enjoy  biggles72 said: Some random pictures so far... I uploaded a few pictures here. Hope to add me and write some words soon. She needs a tidy up and a scrub, but overall is very sound. The Adventures of Noorderzon or - The Adventures of Noorderzon enjoy Click to expand... Your HC38 Looks fantastic. Great cruising area for your new sailboat. Love the pics.
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Baba is a yacht brand that currently has 5 yachts for sale on YachtWorld, including 1 new vessels and 4 used yachts, listed by experienced yacht brokers mainly in the following countries: United States and U.S. Virgin Islands. The selection of models featured on YachtWorld spans a spectrum of sizes and lengths, encompassing vessels measuring ...
Baba preowned sailboats for sale by owner. Baba used sailboats for sale by owner. Home. Register & Post. View All Sailboats. Search. Avoid Fraud. ... 36' Islander Islander 36 Crescent Sail Yacht Club Grosse Pointe Farms, Michigan Asking $12,000. 36' Sabre 36 Mount Sinai, New York Asking $34,000. 25.5' Contessa 26
Meaning ( I hoped) " This sailboat, the Baba, is a pearl. That sailboat, pointing to the Norseman, is a diamond." They understood immediately. The rounded and soft contours of the Baba deck were is stark contrast to the sharp and faceted deck details of the Norseman. ... Both the 31 and the 36 are even better boats than is the 40. They are ...
Ta Shing boats for sale on YachtWorld are listed for a variety of prices from $35,000 on the lower-cost segment, with costs up to $179,000 for the most expensive, custom yachts. What Ta Shing model is the best? Some of the most popular Ta Shing models currently listed include: Baba 30, Baba 40, Mason, Panda 38 and Panda 40 Pilothouse.
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36.82: Capsize Screening Formula: 1.72: S#: 1.45: Hull Speed: 7.39 kn: Pounds/Inch Immersion: 1,277.15 pounds/inch: ... Like the LWL, it will vary with the weights of fuel, water, stores and equipment. A boat's actual draft is usually somewhat more than the original designed or advertised draft. For boats with adjustable keels (centerboards ...
Tashiba 36 is a 35′ 11″ / 11 m monohull sailboat designed by Robert Perry and built by Ta Shing Yacht Building Ltd. starting in 1986. ... Having designed the entire Baba line of boats, Perry was the natural choice for the two new boats that became the Tashiba 36 and the Tashiba 31. They were designed together in California with Ta Shing's ...
The cushions are new and look great. The signature stained glass trademarks the Baba 35--this one is of a swallow. See the photos! It's beautiful. The v-berth has an insert to make it into a double, and the head to port is large with marble and teak detail. There is excessive storage, and the living space on this boat is comfortable and incredible!
Baba-Panda-Tashiba Sailboats [Maintenance Tips] [Tashiba 36] ... Tashiba 36: Presented by Annapolis Sail Yard Inc. (USA) Builder Tashing (Taiwan) Designer Robert Perry . Specifications * Length: 35 ft. 11 in. / 10.95 m Beam: 11 ft. 9 in. / 3.58 m Draft: 5 ft. 6 in. / 1.68 m
The Bluewater Sailboat Tashiba 36, along with its smaller twin, the Tashiba 31, are the last of designer Bob Perry's full keel double-enders; he considers them his best. Many of the innovations Perry achieved with his Baba 40 design are carried over into this boat, which has characteristics that many sailors appreciate.
Hi all, these 3 boats are my shortlisted favorites for my first yacht purchase around $100,000 USD that I can get in Asia. And they have all been favorites (I wish i could afford a Baba 40. Baba 35 - asking $90,000. Tayana 37 - asking $120,000. Hans Christian 38 - asking $110,000.
The Baba 30 seems certain to remain popular and hold her value among sailors who appreciate traditional designs and small offshore capable yachts. --by Jack Hornor Specifications: LOA 34' 6". LOD 29' 6". LWL 24' 6". Beam 10' 3". Displacement 12,500 lbs. Draft 4' 9". The Baba 30 reviewed by Jack Hornor in the October 2008 ...
Baba 30. The baba is a classic looking modern yacht. The Baba 30 was the smallest craft in the range but very popular, with some 170 having been built. They were built as sturdy vessels suitable for making long offshore and ocean passages needing only a couple of people to crew the boat. Although capable of sleeping 5 people they are generally ...
36' Islander Islander 36 Crescent Sail Yacht Club Grosse Pointe Farms, Michigan Asking $12,000
30'. '. '. California. $45,000. Description: This is beautiful restored 1978 BABA 30 from Robert Perry design a sturdy vessel suitable for making long offshore and ocean passages. Restoration was completed in late 2020 from brand new Yanmar diesel 30hp engine with only 120 hrs, new fuel tank, new upholstery, electrical, solar panel, electronic ...
BABA 30. Save to Favorites . Beta Marine. BOTH. US IMPERIAL. METRIC. Sailboat Specifications Definitions ... 1997), states that a boat with a BN of less than 1.3 will be slow in light winds. A boat with a BN of 1.6 or greater is a boat that will be reefed often in offshore cruising. Derek Harvey, "Multihulls for Cruising and Racing ...
The Baba 30 also offers a nice extra perk. According to Jack Hornon, she "continues to have one of the highest resale values of any boat of this type and size.". A quick look at Yacht World reveals Baba 30s from the mid-70s and mid-80s typically cost anywhere between $20,000 and $70,000.
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Baba 30 preowned sailboats for sale by owner. Baba 30 used sailboats for sale by owner. Home. Register & Post. View All Sailboats. Search. Avoid Fraud. ... 36' Islander Islander 36 Crescent Sail Yacht Club Grosse Pointe Farms, Michigan Asking $12,000. 27' Pearson 27-2 Mathews, Virginia Asking $14,000. 24' 3' Corsair Sprint 750
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1981 Baba 30. US$8,500. Harbor Shoppers | St. Thomas, U.S. Virgin Islands. Request Info. <. 1. >. * Price displayed is based on today's currency conversion rate of the listed sales price. Boats Group does not guarantee the accuracy of conversion rates and rates may differ than those provided by financial institutions at the time of transaction.